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    I think they'd be fine with Catholics. They ought to be fine with Muslims, Satanists, Wiccans and antitheists saying something too. They don't really care about religious freedom so much as they care about preferential treatment for a certain group, or telling another group that they're not normal.

    Can you imagine someone saying "I'm glad there's no gods, no hells, I'm glad all religions are false, this hospital will preserve the only life we have," or whatever and people not throwing a hissy fit?
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    Christian Fundamentalist fight-back?

    Quote Originally Posted by Antitheologian View Post
    You could bust a gut watching this. You guys worship the same insane middle eastern god that puts obedience ahead of human life, the same god that murders the world in the opening books, the same god that condemns people to torture in the afterlife for thought crimes. Yet all you do is complain about you not getting preferential treatment. Christian supremacism has thankfully died a death, get used to it, you're no better than anyone else, and the "appeal to tradition" is a fallacy....
    It will be interesting to see if some Christian Churches organised an anti-Enda Farrell campaign in the next Kendal council elections. You never know, such a thing might make all the difference between Farrell being re-elected and not.

    I suspect that Kendal council is not exactly overflowing with Green Party councillors. There are probably more Christian Churches there than Gaiian temples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex McKee View Post
    The situation in America is not directly comparable to the UK. The UK has an established church, America does not and the country was founded on the principle that religion not enter state matters.

    As for the UK, I agree with the poster above that there are double standards going on. Would you be willing for prayers to be said by other faiths? How about Catholics, this nations traditional enemy (no offence intended Britannist)?
    Actually it is only England that has the Church of England established by law. The Church of Scotland is not established but is considered the national church. Scotland has separation of church and state, which is one reason the former Church of England adherents in the American Colonies found the use of the Episcopal Church in Scotland so useful.

    Under New Labour everything is blurred. They tinker and they tap away at the foundations of the nation, encouraging all manner of unnecessary change.

    With regard to Catholics, they were not the enemy as such, rather it was loyalty to Rome that offended. Henry VIII had the peculiar idea that he could dispense with the Pope and retain catholic doctrine. In some ways it worked but mostly it did not. I suppose he envisioned a kind of Catholic Church a bit like the one the Chinese government formed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by arden forester View Post
    Actually it is only England that has the Church of England established by law. The Church of Scotland is not established but is considered the national church.
    You are of course quite right. I did know this but erred in my terminology, I should have been more careful.

    Quote Originally Posted by arden forester View Post
    Under New Labour everything is blurred. They tinker and they tap away at the foundations of the nation, encouraging all manner of unnecessary change.
    I would agree with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by arden forester View Post
    With regard to Catholics, they were not the enemy as such, rather it was loyalty to Rome that offended. Henry VIII had the peculiar idea that he could dispense with the Pope and retain catholic doctrine. In some ways it worked but mostly it did not. I suppose he envisioned a kind of Catholic Church a bit like the one the Chinese government formed!
    I agree but there has been a perception from that time onward that Catholicism was itself an enemy. Essentially the matter was a matter of sovereignty, one which Eurosceptics should be able to identify with.

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