Forced out of job by alcohol beliefs

C_steam · 28-09-2008, 06:22 PM

Forced out of job by alcohol beliefs
Saturday, September 27, 2008, 07:30
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A MUSLIM from Derby is suing supermarket giant Tesco for religious discrimination because he was asked to handle crates of alcohol against his beliefs.
Mohammed Ahmed, of Upper Dale Road, Normanton, also accused Tesco of victimisation and harassment during a three-day employment tribunal.
Mr Ahmed was employed as a warehouse operative, which included driving fork-lift trucks, at the firm's Lichfield warehouse in September last year.
The 32-year-old told the tribunal he was not made aware he would be required to handle alcohol when he started the job, a claim denied by Tesco.
Mr Ahmed refused to touch alcohol because it was against his religious principles as a Muslim, he said, and asked to be found other work. He told the tribunal that the firm failed to co-operate and alleged he was told by a supervisor, "you do the job or go home", a claim also denied by the store.
Another supervisor, Steve Watts, allegedly shouted at him and said "do not take the p***", while line manager Deb Ryan was accused of being aggressive towards him.
The situation reached a peak during November and December as more alcohol came into the warehouse for Christmas, said Mr Ahmed.
The claimant, who grew up in Saudi Arabia and moved to Derby in 2006 and now works for a city agency, lodged a grievance with Tesco in February but said he was treated unfavourably as a result.
After eight months of working at the supermarket chain, he left in protest.
Laura Canham, for Tesco, said Mr Ahmed had indirectly been made aware at his induction that handling alcohol would be one of his tasks.
She denied supermarket bosses had failed to help him, saying every effort was made to find him an alternative role in the warehouse.
"At no stage did he raise the fact he could not handle alcohol," Ms Canham said. "He was advised at the outset what the job would entail.
"Bosses went to see if there were any other roles available for him. He applied for a maintenance job but was unsuccessful. All other roles, in some form or other, came into contact with alcohol."
Ms Canham alleged the claimant gave "mixed messages", once saying he was able to touch Budweiser beer.
Mr Ahmed said he had not visited any of Derby's three Tesco stores and was unaware alcohol was served by the shop. He admitted, however, that he had been to Sainsbury's, Asda and Lidl stores.
"It would be reasonable to expect him to be aware of what Tesco did," Ms Canham said.
Asked why he took so long raising a grievance, Mr Ahmed said: "Many meetings were being held in the meantime to discuss the situation."
The tribunal, in Birmingham, heard that Tesco's induction process now makes it clear that alcohol is involved as part of the job.
Tribunal chairman David Kearsley said: "The trigger for that has obviously been Mr Ahmed's complaint."
A decision by the tribunal is expected next week.

No wonder BNP support is on the rise.

g hall · 28-09-2008, 07:22 PM

There is no justification in The Koran for this man not to touch alcohol and sell it even the word is derived from arabic FFS

Sheila Joyce Gibbs · 28-09-2008, 09:45 PM

Just read your article on the Muslim individual who lost their job, because moving/carting liquor is against their religious belief's.
Well, this is a touchy one, for sure............
However, anything to do with liquor ie: moving/stocking/ordering etc., should be clearly displayed on anyone's employment agreement !!!!
It's not freaking cheese, or goats milk, what it is currently, is the Legal Scrouge of Society, so regardless of what religion you are, and as I plain old Christian, I can refer to you, around 20 scriptures that contain many warnings of drinking alcohol. ALSO, don't forget many of us 'Recovering Alcoholics' who in no way what-so-ever want to be in the same room with this Minion of Satan, kinda like, oh........if a person was so overweight from poor eating habits, and their health was bad enough to threaten their life, so the Doctor made them diet & helped them to loose all the weight,
I doubt very much that they'd EVER work at a TIM HORTENS ???????
Have I made my point ?

Tony Bennett · 29-09-2008, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Sheila Joyce Gibbs

...as a plain old Christian, I can refer to you, around 20 scriptures that contain many warnings of drinking alcohol.

REPLY: Beginning with Noah, who 'planted a vineyard' (Genesis 9 v. 20) and went on to 'drink of the wine and was drunken' (Genesis 9 v. 21). As a result of which his youngest son, Ham (the father of the Hamitic peoples) committed a homosexual act with his father (Genesis 9 v. 22).

A few hundred years later, after Lot and his two daughters had escaped from Sodom by the skins of their teeth, his daughters were so anxious to have children that the elder said to the younger daughter: 'Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father' (Genesis 9 v. 32). And indeed, 'They made their father drink wine that night' (Genesis 19 v. 33). The eldest fell pregnant that night, and calld her son Moab (Genesis 19 v. 34). The younger did the same the following night, and called the resultant offsrping Ammon (Genesis 19 v. 38).

Sheila Joyce Gibbs does therefore have a point.

Alcohol...drunkenness...homosexuality...incest...

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B.A.Ware · 29-09-2008, 12:46 AM

I was at a petrol station where two casiiers were working the guy in front of me wanted a bottle of spirits the muslim guy serving him took his money for the petrol but had to get the other cashier to take the money for the spirits, What a load of ******** he was doing it for the simple fact he could. Power for powers sake

BonnieDundee · 29-09-2008, 03:16 AM

If it was already agreed that you don't have to handle it then that would be okay, but if it was not and it is obvious you'd have to or you were told you have to then you should do it.

Of course in this case he was either made aware or should have known what the job entailed and should have either handled alcohol or quit. I'd probably say the silly tribunal will find his favour thoguh.

angelman · 29-09-2008, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by B.A.Ware

Power for powers sake

Quite. It is funny how alcohol is viewed amongst Muslims. The country with the biggest Muslim population in the world seems to be perfectly happy handling it and drinking it (or was when I was there).

I stand to be corrected, but shouldn't cigarettes fall into the same "category" as alcohol and not be used/taken? If so, then there is a certain picking and choosing of what you can and can't take.

angelman · 29-09-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

I'd probably say the silly tribunal will find his favour thoguh.

I'd put money on it.

TannyD · 29-09-2008, 05:10 PM

What was stopping him from checking or even asking a non-Muslim what the load was?
I have done work placement in Asda's there are usually plenty of people buzzing around, what was stopping him from getting one of them to do the alcohol load and him doing the food/clothing etc load?
Or am I picking on him? *roll eyes*

John Connor · 29-09-2008, 10:41 PM

Muzzers are in the wrong bleedin' country if they want to avoid alcohol. Since we're quite fond of the stuff and all that.

28-09-2008, 07:22 PM	#2 (permalink)
g hall Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: erewhon Posts: 5,522	There is no justification in The Koran for this man not to touch alcohol and sell it even the word is derived from arabic FFS __________________ "That government is best which governs least." "This is a sharp Medicine, but it is a Physician for all diseases and miseries". "To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy --and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful." Remember TANSTAAFL and TANJ

28-09-2008, 09:45 PM	#3 (permalink)
Sheila Joyce Gibbs Newbie Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1	Alcohol !? Just read your article on the Muslim individual who lost their job, because moving/carting liquor is against their religious belief's. Well, this is a touchy one, for sure............ However, anything to do with liquor ie: moving/stocking/ordering etc., should be clearly displayed on anyone's employment agreement !!!! It's not freaking cheese, or goats milk, what it is currently, is the Legal Scrouge of Society, so regardless of what religion you are, and as I plain old Christian, I can refer to you, around 20 scriptures that contain many warnings of drinking alcohol. ALSO, don't forget many of us 'Recovering Alcoholics' who in no way what-so-ever want to be in the same room with this Minion of Satan, kinda like, oh........if a person was so overweight from poor eating habits, and their health was bad enough to threaten their life, so the Doctor made them diet & helped them to loose all the weight, I doubt very much that they'd EVER work at a TIM HORTENS ??????? Have I made my point ?

29-09-2008, 12:46 AM	#5 (permalink)
B.A.Ware Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 4,484 Party: UKIP	I was at a petrol station where two casiiers were working the guy in front of me wanted a bottle of spirits the muslim guy serving him took his money for the petrol but had to get the other cashier to take the money for the spirits, What a load of ******** he was doing it for the simple fact he could. Power for powers sake __________________ We’re not just about Europe.

29-09-2008, 03:16 AM	#6 (permalink)
BonnieDundee Uber Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Between Mallaig and Cornwall. Posts: 2,809	If it was already agreed that you don't have to handle it then that would be okay, but if it was not and it is obvious you'd have to or you were told you have to then you should do it. Of course in this case he was either made aware or should have known what the job entailed and should have either handled alcohol or quit. I'd probably say the silly tribunal will find his favour thoguh. __________________ "It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state." -Bruce Schneier How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and pss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.* Edward Abbey Leopold Kohr. Last edited by BonnieDundee; 29-09-2008 at 03:18 AM.

29-09-2008, 05:10 PM	#9 (permalink)
TannyD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Cafe Rene. :D Posts: 826	What was stopping him from checking or even asking a non-Muslim what the load was? I have done work placement in Asda's there are usually plenty of people buzzing around, what was stopping him from getting one of them to do the alcohol load and him doing the food/clothing etc load? Or am I picking on him? roll eyes __________________ Ignore/Avoid List: youcanhandlethetruth.

29-09-2008, 10:41 PM	#10 (permalink)
John Connor Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Gone Posts: 952 Party: None	Muzzers are in the wrong bleedin' country if they want to avoid alcohol. Since we're quite fond of the stuff and all that. __________________ There are three types of people in this world: Libertarians, fascists and those who haven't been paying attention. Users on ignore list: Akria, Besoeker, Clippo, david H, Ian C.

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