Little Englander (sour)

Sorry to burst the bubble but there is no hope for "Britain", because, Scotland, Wales and N.Ireland will not play, they prefer their own nationality, there may be hope for England.

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Captain Nasty

I dont agree, you are a bunch of whining fuckwits.

But getting off your fat backsides so so much harder than whining about everything

NickIrons

I was brought up to respect the Police and did so until
an incident in 2004.
I was helping a friend who was the chairman of a working
mans club by running his bar after the sudden departure
of the steward. As I was responsible for a licenced premises,
I had certain legal responsibilities. So when I saw a group of
30 something males smoking joints in the car park, I went out
and politley asked them to leave, which they did. This became
a daily task and I decided to call my local Police station. I was
questioned by the Police why I had not called 999 at the time
of the incident, I explained that it wasn't an emergency and as
the licence holder, I had a duty to report illegal practices on the
premises which I held a licence for, which is one of the conditions
of me being granted the licence in the first place.
I was told that I could not report it, something I would need to
prove if my licence would be revoked for allowing such behavior
if a complaint was recieved, and was told "Well, what do you
want us to do about it then?"
Can't speak for other forces, but after that I no longer have any
respect for the Met.
ATB.

Gregory Lauder-Frost

They have become very politicised and lost sight of their mission. Now they have become lazy and are constantly looking for easy targets, such as motorists. Where once they might have stopped you and asked you if you realised you were 5 mph over the speed limit, now they almost cheer because they've made a "hit". They now hate the ordinary people.

I know of two people who would not take police traffic tickets against them lying down and went to court to fight their corner. The police actions, pursued with vigour by the delightful CPS, failed and the CPS had to stump up costs.

Mikeuk

Years ago I was stopped by a genial Sergeant.

He said 'I don't know if you're a drinking man, sir, but if I were you I'd get that rear light fixed. It might give some young copper an excuse to stop and breathalyse you.'

He then waved me on my way.

Those were the days when some of our police really were wonderful.

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Stephen Booth

OK, there's a lot in the comments made here eg about the lack of manned police stations and the rudeness of some police men. That's all fair comment. On the other hand, the amount of bureaucracy and form filling in etc etc must hamper them, and be really disheartening.

You sometimes see these reality shows on TV where the police have to go into a town at night and it is full of binge drinkers all off their heads and being violent and offensive towards the cops, people chucking up in gutters, fighting each other etc etc.

I sometimes go to these police and community meetings where they say we only have x police officers to cope with all the trouble on Saturday nights in Lancaster and Morecambe, and you wonder how they cope with it all with the clubs open into the wee small hours. There was another one about the police budget and how much of a proportion of the total is swamped up in the pensions. I expect this will get worse now that the stock market / finance sector has gone down the pan.

Then there was this business a year or two back where the Home Secretary was trying to make the police forces merge into regional forces. (Some sort of European directive / plot I thnk) and a lot of time and effort went into this completely useless dead end scheme which must have demoralised a lot of people. It needs to be kept local. And be locally accountable.

Then there are all the lawyers and the CPS and the difficulty of bringing people to justice under this ****-eyed court system we have now. Like this violent man in Carterton who beat up his wife, and will probably just get a fine or a community service order or something lenient.

The police get made into the whipping boys for all the ills of society. Yes, they have done things that are wrong, but it is not all their fault, and a lot of this stuff needs sorting out properly.

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Little Englander (sour)

You mean when they have to carry out a risk assesment before going to the aid of a woman who's husband is about to kill her, in the mean time he did, the police waited outside

Seven bullets into the head of an innocent member of the public.

11 bullets into a young solicitor who was obviously having a bad time, no attempt at prolonged negotiation. blam, blam, blam, and eight more fecking blams.

etc. etc. etc.

Fcuk em.

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angelman

That was bad - the worst thing in my view was not letting his wife go and talk to him to see if she could bring him down. And then they gather into a cosy little group to write up their statement(s).

But having said all that, shooting at the police is a fairly stupid thing to do and chances are you will get shot. However if I was standing 100 yards from the house there is no way on Earth that I could be killed by a shotgun. You would be incredibly unlucky to be injured. Killing range is about 40-50 yards. However the police, presuming they were using Heckler-Koch HK G36, have a killing range of a few hundred yards, so they could easily have contained the area rather than going OTT and shooting him dead.

bornfree

Before you condemn the British police I suggest you visit video uploading sites such as YouTube and Liveleak, and search for `police brutality', without the quote marks, obviously.
If you do, you might be more appreciative of our police.
A couple of people have mentioned bad experiences with the police, so here's my experience of them.
My car was recently broken into. I called the police that morning, and a scene of crime officer came out the same afternoon - a Sunday afternoon - to check it out. She was very pleasant and apologised for the fact that overnight rain had destroyed any prints. A couple of days later a police officer from the local police station rang to ask if I had had any further problems.
I thought this was a pretty good service, and I thanked the police for it.
Even so, I realise that this is pretty minor stuff, that it doesn't solve the problem of it being unsafe to walk the streets at night.
At the moment I'm in the strange position of being pro-individual-police-officer but vehemently anti-police-state.

Little Englander (sour)

The Police, like all other human beings, in a one to one situation are the model of respectability, get them in numbers and the story is markedly different.

One copper - nice, two or more coppers - bullies and at times, downright criminals.

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