Question Should home educating parents be forced to get a job and send their kids to school?

Dissident Congress · 01-06-2008, 12:04 PM

Home educating parents can currently take income support until their youngest child is 16. In October this year new legislation comes into force where once the youngest child is 12, income support will be replaced with job seeker's allowance and the parents told to find a job. In 2010 the age limit for the youngest child will be reduced to 7 years old.

This legislation has outraged many home educating parents and they are now worried that they will have no choice but to get a job and send their children to school. Home education isn't purely an alternative lifestyle choice. Many home educated children previously attended school but were withdrawn for reasons such as bullying, unhappiness, failure to cater for SEN, or problems with teaching style and the curriculum.

State schools are not free and it typically costs the taxpayer £5,000 per year to keep a child at school. Therefore there is no real economic argument to force home educating parents into paid employment and children into state schools. It is a political decision.

What do UKIPpers think of the changes in legislation?

Read more about this here:

Freedom for Children to Grow | The Home Education Campaign

AHED: Action for Home Education

Income Support: Lone Parents: 20 May 2008: Written answers (TheyWorkForYou.com)

Smidgey · 01-06-2008, 01:42 PM

They shouldn't be given government 'help' of any kind. The government shouldn't 'help' (i.e. force) them into a job, nor should it give them monetary support. Instead, those who homeschool their children should get a tax deduction to the same value of sending their child to a state school.

Ea of Dune · 01-06-2008, 02:28 PM

Home schooling parents shouldn't get JSA for their decision to stay at home and educate their kids. I like smidgey's idea of a tax deduction. I would prefer a voucher scheme personally that would allow parents to either home school and use the voucher to pay for any necessities they need i.e books etc. or to send their kids to state school, or send their kids to a private school and the voucher could be re-demmed against the cost.

Ea of dune

The Bear · 01-06-2008, 03:01 PM

All “home” educating should be banned.

Children need to grow up equipped in the best way possible to live in the real world and that includes socialising with others and if that means developing a thick skin be it from experience or scar tissue the sooner they do so the better.

Populist Lee · 01-06-2008, 03:25 PM

Spoken like a true totalitarian, Mr Bear.

British-Conservatism · 01-06-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bear

All “home” educating should be banned.

Children need to grow up equipped in the best way possible to live in the real world and that includes socialising with others and if that means developing a thick skin be it from experience or scar tissue the sooner they do so the better.

You mean they need to complete their Left Wing brain washing.
I bet you would support home schooling under a BNP government.

Hartlepool · 01-06-2008, 03:39 PM

I think the Bear would prefer a Communist schooling policy above all others.

British-Conservatism · 01-06-2008, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hartlepool

I think the Bear would prefer a Communist schooling policy above all others.

Bear is typical of his generation of Middle Class well off 1960's University Reds.
He is a totalitarian who supports Socialism but wouldnt go the way to economic socialism as he would then be effected himself.

The Bear · 01-06-2008, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by British-Conservatism

Bear is typical of his generation of Middle Class well off 1960's University Reds.
He is a totalitarian who supports Socialism but wouldnt go the way to economic socialism as he would then be effected himself.

I suppose that I was a somewhat typical middle class 60’s undergrad, awarded good “A” levels, got into a good University, grew my hair long, grew a beard, tried several “certain substances”, (and DID inhale!) lived with a couple of girls, did the “Kabul” run one Summer, came out with a “First”, and made my way in the world.

Where you fall down in your analysis concerns my politics as I am not, was not, and never will be a supporter of communism or socialism, though I am pleased to be able to claim to have a social conscience.

Totalitarian?

In some respects and in some areas today yes, as there is a need for totalitarianism in society today probably more so than at any time in the past.

British-Conservatism · 01-06-2008, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bear

I suppose that I was a somewhat typical middle class 60’s undergrad, awarded good “A” levels, got into a good University, grew my hair long, grew a beard, tried several “certain substances”, (and DID inhale!) lived with a couple of girls, did the “Kabul” run one Summer, came out with a “First”, and made my way in the world.

Where you fall down in your analysis concerns my politics as I am not, was not, and never will be a supporter of communism or socialism, though I am pleased to be able to claim to have a social conscience.

Totalitarian?

In some respects and in some areas today yes, as there is a need for totalitarianism in society today probably more so than at any time in the past.

As I said Socialism without the economic side which would effect you.
I expect you would have been quite at home in the SDP or the Liberal party in the 1970's.
Today I can imagine you either voting Green or Lib Dem.

01-06-2008, 12:04 PM	#1 (permalink)
Dissident Congress Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 750	Should home educating parents be forced to get a job and send their kids to school? Home educating parents can currently take income support until their youngest child is 16. In October this year new legislation comes into force where once the youngest child is 12, income support will be replaced with job seeker's allowance and the parents told to find a job. In 2010 the age limit for the youngest child will be reduced to 7 years old. This legislation has outraged many home educating parents and they are now worried that they will have no choice but to get a job and send their children to school. Home education isn't purely an alternative lifestyle choice. Many home educated children previously attended school but were withdrawn for reasons such as bullying, unhappiness, failure to cater for SEN, or problems with teaching style and the curriculum. State schools are not free and it typically costs the taxpayer £5,000 per year to keep a child at school. Therefore there is no real economic argument to force home educating parents into paid employment and children into state schools. It is a political decision. What do UKIPpers think of the changes in legislation? Read more about this here: Freedom for Children to Grow \| The Home Education Campaign AHED: Action for Home Education Income Support: Lone Parents: 20 May 2008: Written answers (TheyWorkForYou.com) __________________ Dissident Congress Promoting Populist Patriotism Our Nation - Our People - Our Heritage - Our Future

01-06-2008, 01:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
Smidgey Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 2,195 Party: Libertarian Party	They shouldn't be given government 'help' of any kind. The government shouldn't 'help' (i.e. force) them into a job, nor should it give them monetary support. Instead, those who homeschool their children should get a tax deduction to the same value of sending their child to a state school. __________________ How vain is man, who boasts in fight the valour of gigantic might! -Georg Friedrich Händel

01-06-2008, 03:01 PM	#4 (permalink)
The Bear Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: East Anglia Posts: 2,178	All “home” educating should be banned. Children need to grow up equipped in the best way possible to live in the real world and that includes socialising with others and if that means developing a thick skin be it from experience or scar tissue the sooner they do so the better. __________________ I am an old man. I have eaten much salt.

01-06-2008, 03:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
Populist Lee Uber Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,166 Party: Other	Spoken like a true totalitarian, Mr Bear. __________________ ENGLISH POPULISM Stands as the only obstacle in the path of the Plutocrats who seek to reduce all the Peoples of the World to Economic and Political Slavery under Globalism POPULISM MEANS WHAT YOU WANT IS WHAT YOU GET

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01-06-2008, 02:28 PM	#3 (permalink)
Ea of Dune Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hell Posts: 1,049	Home schooling parents shouldn't get JSA for their decision to stay at home and educate their kids. I like smidgey's idea of a tax deduction. I would prefer a voucher scheme personally that would allow parents to either home school and use the voucher to pay for any necessities they need i.e books etc. or to send their kids to state school, or send their kids to a private school and the voucher could be re-demmed against the cost. Ea of dune

01-06-2008, 03:39 PM	#7 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,785 Party: Free England Party	I think the Bear would prefer a Communist schooling policy above all others.