GLW on Brendan Padmore

B.A.Ware · 03-10-2008, 01:34 AM

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Mark Croucher Sorry

M

B.A.Ware wrote

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Thank you, if only GLW would follow your lead

The above post was MC apologizing for something he quoted that was wrong, i had to push but he did apologize, jokingly i said that GLW should follow his lead then low and behold GLW sent round an email berating me as cowardly.
Here is the email for all to see.

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Perhaps Brendan Padmore might consider refraining from making cowardly comments about me on a Forum which provides a platform for dishonesty, slander and any lies about me but due to its bias and dishonesty denies me the right of freedom of speech in my own defence, and censors or intimidates others unknown to me from posting defence of me.

Padmore might be unlikely to be man enough to apologise but it is also unlikely he will clarify his cowardly inference and publish my response.
Padmore has made several ill informed comments about me yet it is I whom he expects to apologise! And for what exactly?

It might show some intelligence on his part if rather than jumping to conclusion and reiterating rumours he established facts.

G.L-W.

Greg I am not a coward if i was i wouldn't have posted my tongue in cheek joke on a PUBLIC forum. If i offended you i do apologize, i haven't or cant remember if i have posted several ill informed comments about you but if you can prove this i will apologize again if you cant will you apologize?

I did have one go at you when you was on this forum and i was wrong for doing it. I accept i was wrong.

This is where you let your self down,you are obviously an intelligent man who has the cause burnt into his heart but can you honestly say you have never ever been wrong about anything, i receive your emails some i find interesting and some i find laborious constantly slagging the leadership off, i heard you the first and fiftieth time don't keep repeating it.

Your attack on me has done little for your credibility, as any one can see what i said was in jest but it was enough for you to overreact and send an email to your group, god knows what they must think.

Greg i have no problem with you i will fight my cause and you will fight yours i will be wrong along the way you will never be and that will be the measure of the man.

Remember theres more than one way to skin a rabbit, yours might be to shout and say the pigs are wrong(animal farm) mine might be to move in the shadows(Trojan horse)

(notice i don't refer to you via your surname as you do me)

You can re-join the forum as long as you do not put us in a libelous situation

Independent UKIP · 03-10-2008, 03:08 AM

GLW said:

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a Forum which provides a platform for dishonesty, slander and any lies about me but due to its bias and dishonesty denies me the right of freedom of speech in my own defence, and censors or intimidates others unknown to me from posting defence of me.

Is C_Steam also criticised by GLW? This is not the first time I have questioned the below, I hope a full explanation will now be provided.

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Originally Posted by Independent UKIP
Yes, he made a mistake/s a long time ago but why is he still banned? ......... Could you explain this apparent injustice? Thanks.

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Originally Posted by C_steam

Yes. I've discussed it with Greg. He's happy.

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Originally Posted by B.A.Ware

You can re-join the forum as long as you do not put us in a libelous situation

I am very pleased to see that change in the moderator position regarding GLW. I think my position on this was clearly expressed on another topic so I won't repeat it here.

SponPlague · 03-10-2008, 08:50 AM

Greg replies as follows:

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Hi,

Brendan I thank you for your apology and leave it entirely up to you and your fellow moderators as to whether you post this eMail or not.

I well understand your feeling that my strenuous rebuttal of what seemed to be a direct attack on me was unreasonable – I concede on a personal basis it may well have been. You will of course be aware that the Forum has on a regular basis, over a number of years, provided a platform for dishonest and corrupt comments about me that have regularly and repetitively been made by such as Denny, Riley, Croucher, Feel Martinis and others.

The Forum has recently even protected their dishonesty and lies by censoring and the deletion of some postings made in my defence by individuals both known and unknown to me.

You will recall I was dishonestly removed from your Forum without warning some time ago – never has a clear reason been given for Matt Davies’ seemingly arbitrary and malicious action. No honest warning or honest explanation was given at the time and no apology has been forthcoming since. That the Forum is dishonestly hostile to me seems very clear from my perspective; if you would be so good as to check your own archive, perhaps you can show cause for your present inference that I might libel someone, as I have NEVER wittingly or deliberately done so to date.

You will understand that I have absolutely no desire to conjoin, or be seen to conjoin, in corruption as it has been displayed on this Forum by it’s owners; without firstly an apology for their support of the cowardly corruption over a prolonged period and an assurance that should I decide to accept your invitation to rejoin, I can be assured of a more responsible and mature level of behaviour than that which I have so far experienced, at your Forum’s hands.

May I draw your attention to another fact as I understand it – Niall Warry was removed from your Forum for his comments about expenditure in Wales by the leadership of EUkip, the sum he quoted was, as we knew at the time, merely a fraction of the amount squandered. We were aware that some £150,000 had been laundered through Wales but at that stage lacked provenance and were seeking a definitive figure. Niall was removed! It is noted that to date the apology that is clearly due to him has never been forthcoming and it is something of a bad reflection on The Forum, endorsing the experience I have had.

I do accept your personal apology as I hope will you mine. I look forward to seeing if your owner has the integrity to act with morality in this matter before considering rejoining and you may be assured that, as in the past, I will at no time wittingly libel anyone on your list and duly accept responsibility for my own words and wording at all times.

Regards,

Greg

Greg Lance-Watkins
01291 – 62 65 62

B.A.Ware · 03-10-2008, 03:46 PM

Greg I do not have the time to track back through your posts but as I remember it you were laying down a lot of accusations about the leadership and from my knowledge you were warned several times, whether all of what I say is exactly how it was I don’t recall but I believe (don’t know much about liable law) Anthony as the owner of this public forum could be sued for allowing what could be construed as slanderous comments to be published here. It is a difficult job moderating this forum and knowing what is opinion and what is being posted as fact and in your case I would suggest the moderator edged towards caution and either snipped or removed your posts, whether this was right or wrong is immaterial now as time has moved on and as far as I can see your account is still live.

As someone who receives your emails would you allow me to offer you some constructive criticism? (Grandma to suck eggs).

Your emails regarding the EU are quite informative and some off your emails regarding UKIP are interesting but lack credibility when you use terms like Dippy Denny, Mike Nutlass, Campbelle, Delboy etc they just trivialise your arguments into childish banter.
You also have an annoying habit of repeating your accusations in length, this again is pointless as it just comes across as a rant that you wish to hammer home at all costs, constantly seeing emails slagging Nigel off has the opposite affect it makes you look like a man that has become obsessed. I agree that he should have stuck to what he was good at and we should have had a leader that was based at home but we have moved on and he was elected leader this we have to accept, there is no point in shouting at the walls of troy it will achieve nothing.

One other point you claim you never knowingly publish anything you believe to be a lie, well publishing something you think to be the truth and the actual truth could be vastly different and using the word knowingly is an escape clause if your emails are found out to be incorrect.

We are all very god at pointing out the bad things about UKIP and its MEPs but is this because we don’t know of the good things they do I say this because you have had a go at Mike Nattrass and he is the only MEP I know personally, now I know his style of communication leaves a lot to be desired but do you know how tirelessly he works for the cause unless like me you have seen it first hand I doubt you do, let me tell you what I know of the man.

Mike lives quite local to me albeit on a very exclusive estate, from what I can gather he is a pretty wealthy man who does not need the income from the EU.
He has been actively campaigning for the cause for years delivering leaflets and hanging lamppost boards (something I have witnessed) he has sponsored some of our local campaigns and has visited many of our local schools to talk/ debate the EU.
He regularly has letters published in the local papers and most if not all of his family have stood for UKIP elections, he has opened up his home and put on functions for UKIP members and he has offered his services to my branch whenever I should need them. These are just some of the things he does locally now apply them to the whole of the West Midlands and it will give you an idea how much time and effort Mike puts in to the cause.

Now does this sound like a man that has gone native I don’t think so, don’t get me wrong I have had my run ins with Mike and I could if I wanted to publish one or two of his less favourable emails but honestly what would that achieve, would it further the cause or would it be an attempt to demolish the man the very same man that has put years into fighting our cause.

The reason I put this bit in about Mike is because non of us are perfect and yes Mike has made mistakes and he can be quite abrupt with his communications but do we just ignore all of his efforts because of this. I’m sure if anyone of us were in his position someone would be able to find faults and publish them all over the web.

Some things I agree have to be said but ignoring the good and highlighting the bad is exactly how the EU promotes itself.

I hope you don’t take these criticisms personally as they are not meant to be a dig at you just an honest a critique of your style.

Millennium3 · 03-10-2008, 08:12 PM

I agree - I stopped reading the posts as there was too much dross to wade through to get to the nuggets.

Akebono · 04-10-2008, 03:16 AM

Right!

The dross factor is huge the reply by Brendan auurate, pithy and a unclear.
In the original Brendad fails to use the capitalisation of the personal pronoun, "i".
The grammar isa little shaky, for example he asks "There manifestoes were given by Nikki Sinclaire" THEIR is the correct useage.

Other elements that do not compute are the paragraphing that often contain more than three ideas and the quotes are not itallicised.

Overall though Brendan works tirelessly and furiously for the good of the UKIp and Benson and Hedges are ...

Millennium3 · 04-10-2008, 07:17 AM

My dictionary does not carry 'auurate'!

B.A.Ware · 06-10-2008, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Akebono

Right!

The dross factor is huge the reply by Brendan auurate, pithy and a unclear.
In the original Brendad fails to use the capitalisation of the personal pronoun, "i".
The grammar isa little shaky, for example he asks "There manifestoes were given by Nikki Sinclaire" THEIR is the correct useage.

Other elements that do not compute are the paragraphing that often contain more than three ideas and the quotes are not itallicised.

Overall though Brendan works tirelessly and furiously for the good of the UKIp and Benson and Hedges are ...

Are you sure you are on the same planet, i don't remember quoting Niki on anything?

03-10-2008, 03:46 PM	#4 (permalink)
B.A.Ware Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 4,484 Party: UKIP	Greg I do not have the time to track back through your posts but as I remember it you were laying down a lot of accusations about the leadership and from my knowledge you were warned several times, whether all of what I say is exactly how it was I don’t recall but I believe (don’t know much about liable law) Anthony as the owner of this public forum could be sued for allowing what could be construed as slanderous comments to be published here. It is a difficult job moderating this forum and knowing what is opinion and what is being posted as fact and in your case I would suggest the moderator edged towards caution and either snipped or removed your posts, whether this was right or wrong is immaterial now as time has moved on and as far as I can see your account is still live. As someone who receives your emails would you allow me to offer you some constructive criticism? (Grandma to suck eggs). Your emails regarding the EU are quite informative and some off your emails regarding UKIP are interesting but lack credibility when you use terms like Dippy Denny, Mike Nutlass, Campbelle, Delboy etc they just trivialise your arguments into childish banter. You also have an annoying habit of repeating your accusations in length, this again is pointless as it just comes across as a rant that you wish to hammer home at all costs, constantly seeing emails slagging Nigel off has the opposite affect it makes you look like a man that has become obsessed. I agree that he should have stuck to what he was good at and we should have had a leader that was based at home but we have moved on and he was elected leader this we have to accept, there is no point in shouting at the walls of troy it will achieve nothing. One other point you claim you never knowingly publish anything you believe to be a lie, well publishing something you think to be the truth and the actual truth could be vastly different and using the word knowingly is an escape clause if your emails are found out to be incorrect. We are all very god at pointing out the bad things about UKIP and its MEPs but is this because we don’t know of the good things they do I say this because you have had a go at Mike Nattrass and he is the only MEP I know personally, now I know his style of communication leaves a lot to be desired but do you know how tirelessly he works for the cause unless like me you have seen it first hand I doubt you do, let me tell you what I know of the man. Mike lives quite local to me albeit on a very exclusive estate, from what I can gather he is a pretty wealthy man who does not need the income from the EU. He has been actively campaigning for the cause for years delivering leaflets and hanging lamppost boards (something I have witnessed) he has sponsored some of our local campaigns and has visited many of our local schools to talk/ debate the EU. He regularly has letters published in the local papers and most if not all of his family have stood for UKIP elections, he has opened up his home and put on functions for UKIP members and he has offered his services to my branch whenever I should need them. These are just some of the things he does locally now apply them to the whole of the West Midlands and it will give you an idea how much time and effort Mike puts in to the cause. Now does this sound like a man that has gone native I don’t think so, don’t get me wrong I have had my run ins with Mike and I could if I wanted to publish one or two of his less favourable emails but honestly what would that achieve, would it further the cause or would it be an attempt to demolish the man the very same man that has put years into fighting our cause. The reason I put this bit in about Mike is because non of us are perfect and yes Mike has made mistakes and he can be quite abrupt with his communications but do we just ignore all of his efforts because of this. I’m sure if anyone of us were in his position someone would be able to find faults and publish them all over the web. Some things I agree have to be said but ignoring the good and highlighting the bad is exactly how the EU promotes itself. I hope you don’t take these criticisms personally as they are not meant to be a dig at you just an honest a critique of your style. __________________ We’re not just about Europe.

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03-10-2008, 08:12 PM	#5 (permalink)
Millennium3 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Berkshire Posts: 4,499	I agree - I stopped reading the posts as there was too much dross to wade through to get to the nuggets.

04-10-2008, 03:16 AM	#6 (permalink)
Akebono Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 125	Right! The dross factor is huge the reply by Brendan auurate, pithy and a unclear. In the original Brendad fails to use the capitalisation of the personal pronoun, "i". The grammar isa little shaky, for example he asks "There manifestoes were given by Nikki Sinclaire" THEIR is the correct useage. Other elements that do not compute are the paragraphing that often contain more than three ideas and the quotes are not itallicised. Overall though Brendan works tirelessly and furiously for the good of the UKIp and Benson and Hedges are ...

04-10-2008, 07:17 AM	#7 (permalink)
Millennium3 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Berkshire Posts: 4,499	My dictionary does not carry 'auurate'!