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Old 03-10-2008, 12:43 AM   #21 (permalink)
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As expected you fell back to more spin and selective quotes. Just because you repeat something time and time again it doesn't make it and more true.

You also didn't address the fundamental point I made which is that the media, of which you were once a part, love to ridicule those who step outside the cosy consensus. The cosy consensus has produced the LibLabCon or Blue Labour and Red Tory and they certainly haven't come up with the answers to the world's problems.

We need to think outside the box and not be afraid to speak our minds. The whole subject of immigration is a case in point. The media made it difficult to discuss this (Actually to be fair to UKIP we have always discussed it) but now it is more acceptable and hurray for that. All we did now are some firm but fair policies to rectify this country's immigration crisis - and remember you can not make an omelette without breaking some eggs

So why is the Middle East still unresolved, why is the BNP on the up, why is UKIP on the decline. Perhaps it is time to listen to alternative views which break the cosy middle ground. For you know what happens if you keep walking in the middle of the road/ - it will not be long before you are run over
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Old 03-10-2008, 03:34 PM   #22 (permalink)
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As expected you fell back to more spin and selective quotes. Just because you repeat something time and time again it doesn't make it and more true.
You might try repeating such advice to Liar_Watkins, whose thoroughly repetitive e-mails are the bane of many an inbox.

And the substantive point of this was that Liar Watkins claimed he was not racist or anti-semitic, and yet sent e-mails clearly stating that he empathised with Hezbollah, Hamas, Al-Quaida and the PLO. When I pointed out what Hamas, the most moderate of the groups with whom he emphasizes, says about Jews, and what the University of Tel Aviv thinks of Hamas' literature, you suddenly want to talk about the media. If anyone doubts his comments, try looking at the archives of USENET groups, mailing lists such as AiRSTRIP ONE and others, and you'll find literally hundreds of such messages from him, all in the public domain, dating from the mid-90's through to the current time. Are you really trying to tell readers that Hamas, Al-Quaida, Hezbollah and the PLO are not anti-semitic? Perhaps Liar-Watkins didn't realise? You're joking right? That he doesn't support and empathise with them, despite his clear messages of support? Don't even try and dissemble to the list about selective quoting - the Hamas quotes were quite selective because it took some time to find quotes which would not result in instant deletion because of their extremism.

And I could have sworn that in earlier e-mail Liar-Watkins said he'd apologise if he was ever wrong in any detail. He's building up quite a list of apologies which clearly he hasn't found time to type in the midst of his rants. These include:

The revisionist version of his welcoming of a Swedish cabinet ministers assassination
His revisionist version of trying to bounce UKIP members into a weekend with the BNP leader
His support for anti-semitic and holocaust denying Middle-Eastern groups
His claims that Nigel Farage's son was employed by UKIP
His claims that DCB had a secret meeting with Cameron
His claims that we'd never met

and that's just for starters. Perhaps you could clarify when he will apologise for all these things he's got wrong, as he made a categorical assurance that he stood by everything he wrote in spirit and detail, and would always apologise if wrong. Are you saying that when he makes such promises he is lying? Although given the taster list above, that's hardly surprising.

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My EVERY word is, as I always hope to be, accurate and true and as with ANY material I may publish I will stand by it in spirit and in detail. Should I ever be proven wrong I will immediately make correction and open apology – I am pleased to say that no one in my 62 years to date has EVER put me in such a position. I have ALWAYS endeavoured to tell only the truth.
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Old 03-10-2008, 05:34 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Well Mark (I won't call you mister you will think it sexist!) what was your relationship with Searchlight? You might find it helps to give an explanation. Are UKIP having BNP infiltrators? I would have thought they would have gone for the more dangerous Tories.
The problem is that you seemed to have innocently taken Searchlight at face value as anti-Fascists when they are actually anti-British and oppose sovereignty.
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