NEW !! Tim Worstalls UKIP BLOG

brad12jy · 15-09-2008, 06:59 PM

The (Temporary) UKIP Blog

Welcome to The (Temporary) UKIP blog.

Where, while crack squads of coders prepare our long term home, we address those issues of interest to current and potential members of the UK Independence Party.

Your host is Tim Worstall, recent (and junior) addition to the UKIP press office and we'll be joined by various more interesting and more important people as time goes on.

Please note that this isn't an official official site. Nothing here should be taken to be an official UKIP policy or statement: we might be party members, we might be party workers or officials, but we're not the NEC and so nothing is an ex cathedra proclamation of the one true way.

Jeff · 15-09-2008, 07:03 PM

So does this mean that the UKIP NEC can make statements to the Membership,just like real democratic parties do?

Or does Farage still have them all (but two) gagged?

Aardvark · 15-09-2008, 07:07 PM

Is UKIP temporary or is it the blog? Is this the Buddhist concept of transience or is there some deeper meaning?

Resigned Member · 15-09-2008, 07:38 PM

Is this blog coming from Portugal or has Worstall rearranged his tax affairs that he now works in the UK and pays UK tax.?
Let us remember that on his blog when he was trying to be elected to the eu Parliament list for UKIP in London for 2009 he made two remarks.
1. That 'it grated' when EU allowances 'have been directed into personal pockets'. He seems to have stopped being a cheesegrater and overlooked that his boss-one Nigel Farage-is the biggest diverter of EU monies'familialy' that is to Farage's wife despite repeated sworn declarations that this would never happen.
2.Worstall grandly declared that if elected he would pay extra tax to the UK Treasury to make up fpr the lower Belgium tax to be imposed on MEPs in future.Whar we are interested in is what happens now. Is Worstall a non -resident , what tax does he pay on his new found job,why is he paid at all since he is self employed and admits that even if employed he will work several hours a week on his own business?

Resigned Member · 15-09-2008, 07:41 PM

Worstall actually said was 'directed into personal pockets or into familial ones'-thus the relevance to the glorious Leader.

Anthony Butcher · 15-09-2008, 08:33 PM

This is just the kind of thing that UKIP needs. Really all of the MEPs and shadow cabinet (if UKIP had one) should have been running blogs discussing how UKIP relates to daily issues. It would not only provide a lot more positive material for peeps on this forum to discuss, but would also build the brand association.

I am not sure why he has opted for the slight cop out of making it 'unofficial' though, given that he is now a UKIP press officer. He will have a lot more authority to talk on behalf of the party than any NEC members. This might mean that Tim hasn't really been introduced to the realities of the UKIP infrastructure yet

gc · 15-09-2008, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Resigned Member

has Worstall rearranged his tax affairs that he now works in the UK and pays UK tax.?

I think that is his business, not ours.

Tim Worstall · 16-09-2008, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Resigned Member

Is this blog coming from Portugal or has Worstall rearranged his tax affairs that he now works in the UK and pays UK tax.?
Let us remember that on his blog when he was trying to be elected to the eu Parliament list for UKIP in London for 2009 he made two remarks.
1. That 'it grated' when EU allowances 'have been directed into personal pockets'. He seems to have stopped being a cheesegrater and overlooked that his boss-one Nigel Farage-is the biggest diverter of EU monies'familialy' that is to Farage's wife despite repeated sworn declarations that this would never happen.
2.Worstall grandly declared that if elected he would pay extra tax to the UK Treasury to make up fpr the lower Belgium tax to be imposed on MEPs in future.Whar we are interested in is what happens now. Is Worstall a non -resident , what tax does he pay on his new found job,why is he paid at all since he is self employed and admits that even if employed he will work several hours a week on his own business?

I am currently in Portugal. I shall be in London full time from 2 weeks hence. There's not a great deal of point in being in London when Parliament isn't sitting and all the political journalists are spread around the country at the various party conferences. I would still be (am in fact) a long distance phone call away from them all.

My references to allowances were to things like Giles Chichester's feeding of staff allowances into his family company....that really did rather grate with everyone, didn't it?

You're rather confusing me with this "self-employed" stuff. It's a legal situation. It means that I deal with my tax affairs, I file a tax return, rather than tax being subtracted via PAYE. The prime requirement is that not all of my income comes from one source....that's what "self-employed" means, that I am not purely an employee of one organisation. To take that and suggest that I shouldn't be paid at all for the 40-50 hours a week I am working seems a little harsh really.

Resigned Member · 16-09-2008, 10:48 AM

Thankyou Tim for your refreshing readiness to answer questions on the status of UKIp employees.So far that is a big plus point for you.
Please could you clarify if you are to be paid by UKIP or or the the Brussels end of the party in whatever shape.
On you own status please advise if you are non-resident for UK tax . You will realize that UKIP members labouring under the enormous tax burden here are somewhat cynical about your grand pledge to pay differences on earnings to the UK Treasury unless you are completely transparent about your own tax affairs.
Finally please remember the UKIP gold standard-that is many memebers worked hard for the party for no remuneration and indeed further contributed financially to the party out of their personal savings.

Tim Worstall · 16-09-2008, 10:56 AM

"On you own status please advise if you are non-resident for UK tax ."

You seem not to understand UK tax law. Working in London, being paid in the UK, I'm subject to the same UK tax laws as everyone else.

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Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 10,186 Party: None	This is just the kind of thing that UKIP needs. Really all of the MEPs and shadow cabinet (if UKIP had one) should have been running blogs discussing how UKIP relates to daily issues. It would not only provide a lot more positive material for peeps on this forum to discuss, but would also build the brand association. I am not sure why he has opted for the slight cop out of making it 'unofficial' though, given that he is now a UKIP press officer. He will have a lot more authority to talk on behalf of the party than any NEC members. This might mean that Tim hasn't really been introduced to the realities of the UKIP infrastructure yet __________________ If you care about what's in your food and where it comes from, then get it labelled! Label My Food - http://www.labelmyfood.org.uk

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15-09-2008, 07:03 PM	#2 (permalink)
Jeff Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 371 Party: Free England Party	So does this mean that the UKIP NEC can make statements to the Membership,just like real democratic parties do? Or does Farage still have them all (but two) gagged?

15-09-2008, 07:38 PM	#4 (permalink)
Resigned Member Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 154	Is this blog coming from Portugal or has Worstall rearranged his tax affairs that he now works in the UK and pays UK tax.? Let us remember that on his blog when he was trying to be elected to the eu Parliament list for UKIP in London for 2009 he made two remarks. 1. That 'it grated' when EU allowances 'have been directed into personal pockets'. He seems to have stopped being a cheesegrater and overlooked that his boss-one Nigel Farage-is the biggest diverter of EU monies'familialy' that is to Farage's wife despite repeated sworn declarations that this would never happen. 2.Worstall grandly declared that if elected he would pay extra tax to the UK Treasury to make up fpr the lower Belgium tax to be imposed on MEPs in future.Whar we are interested in is what happens now. Is Worstall a non -resident , what tax does he pay on his new found job,why is he paid at all since he is self employed and admits that even if employed he will work several hours a week on his own business?

15-09-2008, 07:41 PM	#5 (permalink)
Resigned Member Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 154	Worstall actually said was 'directed into personal pockets or into familial ones'-thus the relevance to the glorious Leader.

16-09-2008, 10:48 AM	#9 (permalink)
Resigned Member Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 154	Thankyou Tim for your refreshing readiness to answer questions on the status of UKIp employees.So far that is a big plus point for you. Please could you clarify if you are to be paid by UKIP or or the the Brussels end of the party in whatever shape. On you own status please advise if you are non-resident for UK tax . You will realize that UKIP members labouring under the enormous tax burden here are somewhat cynical about your grand pledge to pay differences on earnings to the UK Treasury unless you are completely transparent about your own tax affairs. Finally please remember the UKIP gold standard-that is many memebers worked hard for the party for no remuneration and indeed further contributed financially to the party out of their personal savings.

16-09-2008, 10:56 AM	#10 (permalink)
Tim Worstall Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 102	"On you own status please advise if you are non-resident for UK tax ." You seem not to understand UK tax law. Working in London, being paid in the UK, I'm subject to the same UK tax laws as everyone else.