UKIP warns EU over empty threats to Russia

Bob FM · 01-09-2008, 08:22 PM

RAF rescue copter crews will be sent to war zones

Published Date: 04 August 2008
By MICHAEL HOWIE
THE number of RAF search and rescue crews in Britain is to be slashed by a fifth to bolster operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, raising fears that response times will suffer.
The Ministry of Defence yesterday confirmed it will reduce the number of crews at each of the UK's six RAF search and rescue centres by one.

Currently, five four-man crews operate from Lossie-mouth in north-east Scotland, Anglesey, Wattisham, Leconfield, Boulmer and Chivenor. The number of crews at each base will be reduced to four, with personnel being freed to fly helicopters in war zones.

Aardvark · 01-09-2008, 08:26 PM

Bob, You'd best call the RN and tell them as they don't seem to know.

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Aardvark · 01-09-2008, 08:29 PM

Bob, How does a link to an item on the Royal Air Force prove that the RN and RM use SAR Sea Kings? The item doesn't mention the SAR airframes, that will remain in the UK, but the crews. The crews can be cross trained to operate different variants of the same aircraft as most of the cockpit features will be similar as will the performance envelope.

Cut and pasted before you remove it:

Bob FM

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RAF rescue copter crews will be sent to war zones

Published Date: 04 August 2008
By MICHAEL HOWIE
THE number of RAF search and rescue crews in Britain is to be slashed by a fifth to bolster operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, raising fears that response times will suffer.
The Ministry of Defence yesterday confirmed it will reduce the number of crews at each of the UK's six RAF search and rescue centres by one.

Currently, five four-man crews operate from Lossie-mouth in north-east Scotland, Anglesey, Wattisham, Leconfield, Boulmer and Chivenor. The number of crews at each base will be reduced to four, with personnel being freed to fly helicopters in war zones.

Aardvark · 01-09-2008, 08:43 PM

Bob FM, world expert on all things military, posted the following post at 7.19 pm, but has deleted it after my reply:

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The primary roll of the RN/RM Sea KIngs have been Air Sea Rescue and have been diverted as I described. It has been widely reported, but I guess not on this forum o it can't be true.

Fortunately I was going to quote it and use it in my above post on Sea Kings.

You see Bob, truth is an illusion. When you want to defeat people in an argument you make up facts to suit your viewpoint. Rather than post the truth, in order to prove me wrong, you posted a straight lie. Then when I proved you were making it up as you go along, you deleted your post lest you appear the fool many of us think you to be.

Why did you think you could lie to me and get away with it? gimlet served with me, as you know since he has written to you. We served on the Support Helicopter Force and he has many more than my 1000+ helicopter crewman hours. As helicopter crew we frequently trained at other bases - I did the 'dunker' at RNAS yeovilton and SAR familiarisation on the now defunct Wessex at RAF Valley. I also did the SAR selection course. I served alongside RNAS and RM exchange officers and met people who actually flew the Sea King (in fact I've been on a few jollies in the yellow Sea Kings and foolishly volunteered to be the 'survivor' on more than one occasion).

Bob, you have now proved conclusively to my satisfaction that you will lie to win arguments. How dare you attack others for being less than truthful. Do you really think that someone who makes things up on the spur of the moment should be a PPC?

gc · 02-09-2008, 07:05 AM

Brussels plenary, Monday, 1 September 2008

MEPs debate the situation in Georgia - Russia's actions disproportionate

MEPs debated the situation in Georgia following the extraordinary European Council meeting which took place earlier today. Most MEPs underlined the need to respect Georgian territorial integrity, said that Russia's reactions were disproportionate and they called for a boost to the EU's neighbourhood policy. The need to move away from dependence on Russian energy supplies was also underlined.

Most MEPs condemned Russia's recognition of the South Ossetia and Abkhazia, while others questioned whether Georgia's initial action was appropriate. MEPs will vote on a resolution on Wednesday (3 September).

Speaking on behalf of the EU Council, French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said the EU must take a balanced position on the crisis in Georgia, adopting a firm stance while keeping channels of communication open, However, he said EU leaders had decided this afternoon to suspend talks on a new EU-Russia partnership agreement until Russia withdrew its troops.

Mr Kouchner pointed to the six-point agreement mediated by the EU in August, which had been only partly observed by Russia since it had not fully withdrawn its troops. He then turned to the key conclusions of today's EU summit, which included firm condemnation of Russia's unilateral action and support for every country to choose its foreign policy and its alliances.

The EU would also help Georgia rebuild its economy and consider creating a free trade area with the country. By contrast, while not wanting to isolate Russia or move towards a new Cold War, the EU would now suspend talks on the new EU-Russia partnership agreement until Russia withdrew its troops to their pre-August 7th positions. Moreover, institutional cooperation with Ukraine would be stepped up.

gc · 02-09-2008, 07:06 AM

Which basically means the EU will do nothing....

Mikeuk · 02-09-2008, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by gc

Which basically means the EU will do nothing....

Well the EU are paying your wages Gary.

But of course they will do nothing. Nor will the corrupt USA - obsessed with its ridiculous so-called democracy, which is actually pork-barrel politics.

The inevitable victory of Obama could mean a reduction is US racism, imperialism and international militarist aggression, but Im afraid that the 'Black Kennedy' may prove to be yet another puppet of the US plutocrats.

I hope I'm wrong.

In the meantime the Free World needs to put its trust in Mother Russia and Vladimir Putin. He and Nelson Mandela are the only truly great statespersons of our time.

In the last century the heroic Russian people smashed Fascism and Hitlerism while the cowardly Americans openly consorted with Nazi War Criminals. Now Russia's time to save the world has come again.

I'm proud to be able to say that one of my ancestors was a Russian General. Why has England spent so long fighting and hating this great country? The hatred and stupidity has to stop now!

But first we must deal with the traitors and fascists in our own ranks...

Bob FM · 02-09-2008, 08:21 AM

To all other moderators Paul is yet again abusing his position see: Yesterday, 08:43 PM .

The post he refers to was removed not because I had seen his post, because at the time I hadn't consciously noticed his deliberate change from my post. The post was inaccurate and was almost immediately replaced with the my 8.22.

It would therefore seem that he has used his access to the back data to make his latest attack.Is that not a breach of his roll as moderator or do posters no longer have the right to remove posts.

As for the link between the two/three services, how would I know you, made it, i mistakenly used it for a few minutes.Try answering your own question. As for Gimlett I have no idea who he is and he to my knowledge has never contacted me. Your paranoia knows no bounds.

Whether I should be a PPC is a matter for others, but I would obviously point out I was selected as one, you were not.

chikrodah · 02-09-2008, 08:33 AM

If I clicked on a thread at the same time as another poster posts their comment, and decide to respond to that comment by clicking on "Quote", am I abusing my position as a forum member?

If I then preview my comment and notice that the previous poster has deleted their post, am I abusing my position as a forum member?

If I then choose to amend my previewed post, commenting on the fact that the post I am responding to has been deleted and interpreting that according to my own perspective, am I abusing my position as a forum member?

I ask, because I have been in that position myself. I'm sure others have, too.

Bob, you've chosen to participate in this forum's discussions. Along the way, you have made posts that others have disagreed with. You have chosen to repeatedly retaliate, often following their posts across numerous threads to cross-post comments out of context to support your perspective and point of view. When others choose to defend their position or their arguments by asking you for evidence, you attack and complain to the moderators.

I look forward to the day when you choose to debate properly.

Bob FM · 02-09-2008, 08:42 AM

Predictability is becoming common place on here, if Paul is not around then his mate chips in, but he believes as he's posted that no one should reply to posts not directed at them.

As for debating properly I am happy to do so with anyone who hasn't got ulterior motives, or adverse history with the party which not only clouds their view but creates hostility towards those who happen to believe UKIP is the only solution to the UK's woes. When Paul deliberately sets out to distort the discussion as he did introducing RN/RM then it was right and proper I removed my post. He accuses me of lying but we only have his word for it that he had already copied pasted my comments. Given how much later he posted this, one questions the truth of that statement unless of course he saves every copy he ever makes, which would tend to suggest OCD.

02-09-2008, 08:21 AM	#18 (permalink)
Bob FM Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: South Marston Swindon Posts: 1,787	To all other moderators Paul is yet again abusing his position see: Yesterday, 08:43 PM . The post he refers to was removed not because I had seen his post, because at the time I hadn't consciously noticed his deliberate change from my post. The post was inaccurate and was almost immediately replaced with the my 8.22. It would therefore seem that he has used his access to the back data to make his latest attack.Is that not a breach of his roll as moderator or do posters no longer have the right to remove posts. As for the link between the two/three services, how would I know you, made it, i mistakenly used it for a few minutes.Try answering your own question. As for Gimlett I have no idea who he is and he to my knowledge has never contacted me. Your paranoia knows no bounds. Whether I should be a PPC is a matter for others, but I would obviously point out I was selected as one, you were not. Last edited by Bob FM; 02-09-2008 at 08:36 AM. Reason: To refer back to other posts.

02-09-2008, 08:42 AM	#20 (permalink)
Bob FM Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: South Marston Swindon Posts: 1,787	Predictability is becoming common place on here, if Paul is not around then his mate chips in, but he believes as he's posted that no one should reply to posts not directed at them. As for debating properly I am happy to do so with anyone who hasn't got ulterior motives, or adverse history with the party which not only clouds their view but creates hostility towards those who happen to believe UKIP is the only solution to the UK's woes. When Paul deliberately sets out to distort the discussion as he did introducing RN/RM then it was right and proper I removed my post. He accuses me of lying but we only have his word for it that he had already copied pasted my comments. Given how much later he posted this, one questions the truth of that statement unless of course he saves every copy he ever makes, which would tend to suggest OCD. Last edited by Bob FM; 02-09-2008 at 08:45 AM.

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01-09-2008, 08:22 PM	#11 (permalink)
Bob FM Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: South Marston Swindon Posts: 1,787	RAF rescue copter crews will be sent to war zones Published Date: 04 August 2008 By MICHAEL HOWIE THE number of RAF search and rescue crews in Britain is to be slashed by a fifth to bolster operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, raising fears that response times will suffer. The Ministry of Defence yesterday confirmed it will reduce the number of crews at each of the UK's six RAF search and rescue centres by one. Currently, five four-man crews operate from Lossie-mouth in north-east Scotland, Anglesey, Wattisham, Leconfield, Boulmer and Chivenor. The number of crews at each base will be reduced to four, with personnel being freed to fly helicopters in war zones.

02-09-2008, 07:05 AM	#15 (permalink)
gc Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 569	Brussels plenary, Monday, 1 September 2008 MEPs debate the situation in Georgia - Russia's actions disproportionate MEPs debated the situation in Georgia following the extraordinary European Council meeting which took place earlier today. Most MEPs underlined the need to respect Georgian territorial integrity, said that Russia's reactions were disproportionate and they called for a boost to the EU's neighbourhood policy. The need to move away from dependence on Russian energy supplies was also underlined. Most MEPs condemned Russia's recognition of the South Ossetia and Abkhazia, while others questioned whether Georgia's initial action was appropriate. MEPs will vote on a resolution on Wednesday (3 September). Speaking on behalf of the EU Council, French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said the EU must take a balanced position on the crisis in Georgia, adopting a firm stance while keeping channels of communication open, However, he said EU leaders had decided this afternoon to suspend talks on a new EU-Russia partnership agreement until Russia withdrew its troops. Mr Kouchner pointed to the six-point agreement mediated by the EU in August, which had been only partly observed by Russia since it had not fully withdrawn its troops. He then turned to the key conclusions of today's EU summit, which included firm condemnation of Russia's unilateral action and support for every country to choose its foreign policy and its alliances. The EU would also help Georgia rebuild its economy and consider creating a free trade area with the country. By contrast, while not wanting to isolate Russia or move towards a new Cold War, the EU would now suspend talks on the new EU-Russia partnership agreement until Russia withdrew its troops to their pre-August 7th positions. Moreover, institutional cooperation with Ukraine would be stepped up.

02-09-2008, 07:06 AM	#16 (permalink)
gc Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 569	Which basically means the EU will do nothing....

02-09-2008, 08:33 AM	#19 (permalink)
chikrodah Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Midlands Posts: 1,709	If I clicked on a thread at the same time as another poster posts their comment, and decide to respond to that comment by clicking on "Quote", am I abusing my position as a forum member? If I then preview my comment and notice that the previous poster has deleted their post, am I abusing my position as a forum member? If I then choose to amend my previewed post, commenting on the fact that the post I am responding to has been deleted and interpreting that according to my own perspective, am I abusing my position as a forum member? I ask, because I have been in that position myself. I'm sure others have, too. Bob, you've chosen to participate in this forum's discussions. Along the way, you have made posts that others have disagreed with. You have chosen to repeatedly retaliate, often following their posts across numerous threads to cross-post comments out of context to support your perspective and point of view. When others choose to defend their position or their arguments by asking you for evidence, you attack and complain to the moderators. I look forward to the day when you choose to debate properly.