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Bob FM · 01-09-2008, 07:54 AM

Firstly the website was mine in the first place, and yes they are perfectly happy. They instigated a website change a year ago after I resigned, and rather than go to the trouble of changing DNS codes and authorisations they registered .info.

Freedom to Choose was also my idea as a name, so again no conflict there, and yes they are happy it's on the UKIP site, because UKIP has given media support to the campaign . F2C are not an anti smoking ban group, they are a pro-choice group.

We at Freedom2Choose do not represent either extreme of the passive smoke debate; we are not a pro-tobacco organisation funded by tobacco companies nor are we anti-smokers funded by drug companies. We are members of the public from all walks of life, professional through to working class, united in a determination to expose the myths that are currently leading to the removals of the freedoms of the people of this nation.
Isn't that what UKIP stand for.

I still when ask appear on behalf of F2C as I did in a recent radio debate with ASH and others.

T.N.Warry · 01-09-2008, 07:26 PM

I debated with myself as to whether I was really bothered to comment on this thread and decided I in the end I would!!

What is all the fuss about

Bob FM feels he has virtually prove GLW has lied - how come??

As I understand it GLW simply says he acquire the logo and was using it publicly before UKIP did. This is a fact so what is the problem??

As Spon has said this is simply another UKIP administrative **** up.

Millennium3 · 01-09-2008, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by T.N.Warry

I debated with myself as to whether I was really bothered to comment on this thread and decided I in the end I would!!

What is all the fuss about

Bob FM feels he has virtually prove GLW has lied - how come??

As I understand it GLW simply says he acquire the logo and was using it publicly before UKIP did. This is a fact so what is the problem??

As Spon has said this is simply another UKIP administrative **** up.

I don't think you will find that a rational comment will have any effect!

Bob FM · 01-09-2008, 08:13 PM

Has there been one. GLW claims he used it first. I am advised he took it from UKIP's holding site. UKIP or GLW are lying. I thought the political elite on here frequently claim UKIP should be honest and transparent. It seems however on this topic they don't wish the same standard.

SponPlague · 01-09-2008, 08:46 PM

It depends on whether you regard the holding site contents - UKIP UK independence party as having been in the public domain at the time.

I recall Rowntree Mackintosh (Now Nestle) got wind of the Wispa launch in advance, and rejigged their Aero design. Poorer quality - it melted in the hand too easily - but where is Wispa now? Aero's still around...

Bob FM · 02-09-2008, 08:50 AM

Sorry Spon is there a point to your last post. We are not talking about the action of copying the site, we are talking about the action of lying. Either UKIP are lying or GLW is. But of course because you all either know or suspect GLW is lying that would do your cause celeb' no good at all. And below is the pathetic levels same GLW has sunk. But I'm sure some will think this was an intelligent email.

Results 1 - 20 of about 2,040,000 for "freedom to choose". (0.26 seconds)

It seems that there have been at least 2,000,000 infringements of his claimed copyright!

Bob Feel Martinis must surely be a recruiting sergeant for the BNP, as anyone who watched his You Tube video clips, realised he had an opinion on everything and knowledge of almost nothing and was unable to discuss in a grown up manner, who then found he was ANYTHING to do with EUkip would run away in panic to find a moderate party to support.

This would be about the ONLY instance where by comparison the BNP could be seen as moderate!

Regards,
Greg

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Bob FM · 02-09-2008, 08:54 AM

For the record, since I took over as the Chairman of UKIP Swindon our membership has grown. Also have never claimed copyright, another delusional statement by GLW.

SponPlague · 02-09-2008, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob FM

Sorry Spon is there a point to your last post. We are not talking about the action of copying the site, we are talking about the action of lying. Either UKIP are lying or GLW is.

The point, Bob, is that whether or not UKIP are lying depends on whether you regard the holding page to have been in the public domain. If it wasn't, and Greg found it through, say, "industrial espionage', then yes, he started using it first. If it was public, i.e. searchable etc., then he didn't.

Whether or not a poor quality draft logo should have been on an open access webpage is a different matter - but it's not the only time "trial" pages have tripped up a UKIP webmaster...

Bob FM · 02-09-2008, 09:09 AM

Either way Spon, GLW is shown up for what he is. I am advised that it was in the public domain and posters on here have already said he obtained it in that way.

Millennium3 · 02-09-2008, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob FM

Either way Spon, GLW is shown up for what he is. I am advised that it was in the public domain and posters on here have already said he obtained it in that way.

Where is it in the public domain? Which posters have said this.

It is important that you back up your statements with facts.

02-09-2008, 08:50 AM	#26 (permalink)
Bob FM Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: South Marston Swindon Posts: 1,787	Sorry Spon is there a point to your last post. We are not talking about the action of copying the site, we are talking about the action of lying. Either UKIP are lying or GLW is. But of course because you all either know or suspect GLW is lying that would do your cause celeb' no good at all. And below is the pathetic levels same GLW has sunk. But I'm sure some will think this was an intelligent email. Results 1 - 20 of about 2,040,000 for "freedom to choose". (0.26 seconds) It seems that there have been at least 2,000,000 infringements of his claimed copyright! Bob Feel Martinis must surely be a recruiting sergeant for the BNP, as anyone who watched his You Tube video clips, realised he had an opinion on everything and knowledge of almost nothing and was unable to discuss in a grown up manner, who then found he was ANYTHING to do with EUkip would run away in panic to find a moderate party to support. This would be about the ONLY instance where by comparison the BNP could be seen as moderate! Regards, Greg 01291 – 62 65 62 Last edited by Bob FM; 02-09-2008 at 08:51 AM. Reason: Correct grammar and spelling

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01-09-2008, 07:54 AM	#21 (permalink)
Bob FM Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: South Marston Swindon Posts: 1,787	Firstly the website was mine in the first place, and yes they are perfectly happy. They instigated a website change a year ago after I resigned, and rather than go to the trouble of changing DNS codes and authorisations they registered .info. Freedom to Choose was also my idea as a name, so again no conflict there, and yes they are happy it's on the UKIP site, because UKIP has given media support to the campaign . F2C are not an anti smoking ban group, they are a pro-choice group. We at Freedom2Choose do not represent either extreme of the passive smoke debate; we are not a pro-tobacco organisation funded by tobacco companies nor are we anti-smokers funded by drug companies. We are members of the public from all walks of life, professional through to working class, united in a determination to expose the myths that are currently leading to the removals of the freedoms of the people of this nation. Isn't that what UKIP stand for. I still when ask appear on behalf of F2C as I did in a recent radio debate with ASH and others.

01-09-2008, 07:26 PM	#22 (permalink)
T.N.Warry Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Somerset Posts: 889	I debated with myself as to whether I was really bothered to comment on this thread and decided I in the end I would!! What is all the fuss about Bob FM feels he has virtually prove GLW has lied - how come?? As I understand it GLW simply says he acquire the logo and was using it publicly before UKIP did. This is a fact so what is the problem?? As Spon has said this is simply another UKIP administrative **** up.

01-09-2008, 08:13 PM	#24 (permalink)
Bob FM Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: South Marston Swindon Posts: 1,787	Has there been one. GLW claims he used it first. I am advised he took it from UKIP's holding site. UKIP or GLW are lying. I thought the political elite on here frequently claim UKIP should be honest and transparent. It seems however on this topic they don't wish the same standard.

01-09-2008, 08:46 PM	#25 (permalink)
SponPlague Uber Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Zurich Posts: 3,123	It depends on whether you regard the holding site contents - UKIP UK independence party as having been in the public domain at the time. I recall Rowntree Mackintosh (Now Nestle) got wind of the Wispa launch in advance, and rejigged their Aero design. Poorer quality - it melted in the hand too easily - but where is Wispa now? Aero's still around...

02-09-2008, 08:54 AM	#27 (permalink)
Bob FM Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: South Marston Swindon Posts: 1,787	For the record, since I took over as the Chairman of UKIP Swindon our membership has grown. Also have never claimed copyright, another delusional statement by GLW.

02-09-2008, 09:09 AM	#29 (permalink)
Bob FM Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: South Marston Swindon Posts: 1,787	Either way Spon, GLW is shown up for what he is. I am advised that it was in the public domain and posters on here have already said he obtained it in that way.