Rumour UKIP's Conference mystery guest speaker revealed?

SponPlague · 31-08-2008, 12:43 PM

What's Gary ever done to offend you, Mike?

Mikeuk · 31-08-2008, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SponPlague

What's Gary ever done to offend you, Mike?

Check through his posts over the last week.

Also I don't like liars and hypocrites.

Did you know he was NF?

chikrodah · 31-08-2008, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeuk

Did you know he was NF?

Are you actually suggesting, Mike, that it's impossible for somebody to change their political views over time?

AFAIK, Gary's been active in UKIP for years. Are you intimating that he is a mole for another party? Or is it possible that he, like a large number of UKIP members who previously belonged to the Conservatives, Liberals, LibDems, Labour and other parties, may have changed his mind regarding his ideas about what party is best for Great Britain?

Mikeuk · 31-08-2008, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by chikrodah

Are you actually suggesting, Mike, that it's impossible for somebody to change their political views over time?

AFAIK, Gary's been active in UKIP for years. Are you intimating that he is a mole for another party? Or is it possible that he, like a large number of UKIP members who previously belonged to the Conservatives, Liberals, LibDems, Labour and other parties, may have changed his mind regarding his ideas about what party is best for Great Britain?

I have no idea whether he is still a Nazi or not. All I know is that (and I don't know the guy from Adam) he suddenly started slagging off Gregory Lauder-Frost and to a lesser degree myself as 'fascists' or whatever.

I'm not taking that from someone with his track record. Also, he still supports Alan Harvey who was, and remains, an apartheid-supporting anti-semitic Nazi. They are two turds from the same Nazi sewer.

Did he tell you or anybody else that he was an official NF candidate? If not, why not?

He appeared mysteriously in the entourage of the appallingly homophobic far-right Frank Maloney. Who checked his credentials? Did you know he was connected with the Swinton Circle and the extreme right racist Springbok Club?

Anyway he is thoroughly discredited by his connection with Tom Wise - now on police bail following his recent arrest.

Do you really want this kind of scum in UKIP?

Bob FM · 31-08-2008, 07:22 PM

I guess we can take it you don't like him then.

SponPlague · 31-08-2008, 07:29 PM

He was my branch secretary when I was chairman of N. Southwark and Bermondsey. I can't think of anyone better suited to be in UKIP.

And yes, for my sins, I campaigned for Frank Maloney too, although his his piece about "gays not voting for me so why waste time campaining" almost broke the camel's back then - Gary was scraping me off the wall

Mikeuk · 31-08-2008, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SponPlague

He was my branch secretary when I was chairman of N. Southwark and Bermondsey. I can't think of anyone better suited to be in UKIP.

And yes, for my sins, I campaigned for Frank Maloney too, although his his piece about "gays not voting for me so why waste time campaining" almost broke the camel's back then - Gary was scraping me off the wall

Did you know that Cartwright was ex-NF, though?

And why is he supporting snout-in-trough Wise, who has done as much damage to UKIP as Mote or anybody else?

Mikeuk · 31-08-2008, 07:45 PM

That was 16 years ago and he has paid his debt to the state. Nor was he a member of UKIP at the time and his crime had no impact on the Conservative Party (from which he was expelled)

Posting that information is a breach of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act and therefore a criminal offence. I must respectfully ask you to delete it. Cartwright posted it before and Tony removed it when Gregory and I complained.

I asked you whether Cartwright ever informed his members about his fascist past.

chikrodah · 31-08-2008, 08:18 PM

Mike, did you have the same stance when Clive Page was "outed" for his past behaviour? Otherwise, you lay yourself open to the supposition that you have one rule for your friends and another for everyone else.

This all supposes, of course, that the person posting as Gregory Lauder-Frost is actually Gregory. It might be somebody masquerading as Gregory, for whatever reason.

Mikeuk · 31-08-2008, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by chikrodah

Mike, did you have the same stance when Clive Page was "outed" for his past behaviour? Otherwise, you lay yourself open to the supposition that you have one rule for your friends and another for everyone else.

This all supposes, of course, that the person posting as Gregory Lauder-Frost is actually Gregory. It might be somebody masquerading as Gregory, for whatever reason.

Who is Clive Page?

Gregory is a personal friend and I was talking to him on the phone 2 hours ago. You can be certain it is he who is posting here.

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SponPlague Uber Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Zurich Posts: 3,120	He was my branch secretary when I was chairman of N. Southwark and Bermondsey. I can't think of anyone better suited to be in UKIP. And yes, for my sins, I campaigned for Frank Maloney too, although his his piece about "gays not voting for me so why waste time campaining" almost broke the camel's back then - Gary was scraping me off the wall Last edited by SponPlague; 31-08-2008 at 07:32 PM.

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31-08-2008, 12:43 PM	#11 (permalink)
SponPlague Uber Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Zurich Posts: 3,120	What's Gary ever done to offend you, Mike?

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Bob FM Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: South Marston Swindon Posts: 1,787	I guess we can take it you don't like him then.

31-08-2008, 07:45 PM	#18 (permalink)
Mikeuk Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Fareham Posts: 5,758 Party: Conservatives	That was 16 years ago and he has paid his debt to the state. Nor was he a member of UKIP at the time and his crime had no impact on the Conservative Party (from which he was expelled) Posting that information is a breach of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act and therefore a criminal offence. I must respectfully ask you to delete it. Cartwright posted it before and Tony removed it when Gregory and I complained. I asked you whether Cartwright ever informed his members about his fascist past.

31-08-2008, 08:18 PM	#19 (permalink)
chikrodah Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Midlands Posts: 1,709	Mike, did you have the same stance when Clive Page was "outed" for his past behaviour? Otherwise, you lay yourself open to the supposition that you have one rule for your friends and another for everyone else. This all supposes, of course, that the person posting as Gregory Lauder-Frost is actually Gregory. It might be somebody masquerading as Gregory, for whatever reason.