T.N.Warry

I agree with you. However will the current UKIP Leadership and heirarchy think outside the box and change strategy? Sadly not as they are far too busy playing the game of 'I'm a very important MEP' and have all become wedded to the money and expenses.

Raymond Finch

You said you wanted NF to be co-leader. You must have had another co-leader in mind. Who would this be?

Your final quote seems to intimate that you do not believe I actually support EU withdrawal. I do. However, unlike yourself, I believe that UKIP is the vehicle to achieve independence for our nation. I do not bother questioning others commitment to the cause because I do not agree with them.

progcon.org

Ray,
No personal attack of any form has been made on this thread. This is supposed to be a positve, constructive thread, so please do not read between the lines to find an inference that is not there.

All I am seeking to do is get people to think differently, to think if there could be a more effective solution to UKIP's strategy.

I have been impressed by almost everyone I have met within UKIP, but have found the strategy to have created a tunnel vision, a single belief the way forward that I personally believe is doomed to failure.

UKIP's strategy is to gain more MEPs, try to find more donors, expand policies and hope to win representation in the HoC. It is not going to happen.

The day after the next general election, UKIP is likely to be back to zero representation in the house of commons. Imagine if instead, if all the BOO MP's switched to RP mk 2. You would suddenly have a party with 10 MP's that would have 5 years to pressure Cameron (the likely PM) to deliver a referendum. If the election result is close, these MP's could carry a decisive balance of power. This would be an ideal result.

Of course the chances this happening is very slim, but what chance is there of UKIP's strategy of delivering a referendum in the same period?

Just ask yourself this; can UKIP deliver EU withdrawal in 5 years? If not, is there an alternative strategy both within and without UKIP that could do so?

T.N.Warry

Very well said. I agree and have been saying the same for some time.

jim h

Highly amusing stuff from messrs Procon and Warry but there is no hope of the few MPs who have signed upto BOO ever forming a separate Party.

UKIP are the only organisation in play who are opposed to the EU to think otherwise is living cloud cuckooo land. They may not be perfect but there is no alternative

Raymond Finch

This is true.
Those who have signed up to BOO have done so for fear UKIP will make them lose their seats at the next GE. We have power. We must leverage the door-opening capabilities of having MEPs into giving our PPCs a fighting chance in the next GE.

There are a million and one (at a conservative estimate) pressure groups out there all failing to have a significant effect on Westminster. There is ONE anti-EU party. As long as we are in there fighting then our nation has a chance. If we were to give up and become simply a pro-referendum pressure group then the Westminster parties would laugh us off and go back to ignoring the people as there would be no electable alternative.

Bob FM

It is vital in the fight to leave the EU to firstly stamp our impression on the EU Parliament by getting more MEP's and given that many of the new 'breed' have pledged to financially support the party from their salaries, this will aid a fighting fund for the GE. It is important to build strong alliances with the various anti EU pressure groups such as the Campaign for an Independent Britain and others. If we can successfully do that then perhaps the public will see that voting UKIP at a GE is the only way of Britain retaining the pound, our Sovereignty and regaining our Independence. At least in Swindon we are trying to forge such links. Courtesy of CIB we have thousands of leaflets to deliver.

progcon.org

"UKIP are the only organisation in play who are opposed to the EU to think otherwise is living cloud cuckooo land. They may not be perfect but there is no alternative"

OK Jim, I'll take you at your word. Would you please explain to me how UKIP is going to get us out of the EU within 5 years with the current strategy. I would like to print it out and keep so I can watch as your strategy unfolds to the event we all want occurs.

If you do not believe that UKIP's current strategy can deliver withdrawal within 5 years, please would you give me an estimate of how long it will take so we can then weigh that up against alternatives?

No-one here wants a strategy that never reaches its actual goal, but simply creates a niche 'angle' for several people to perpetually make money of the EU do they?

Christina

progcon

Gosh! This is what I was suggesting many months ago and you accused me of turning federalist, Chad. This is what I meant, get all sides who want a referendum together. The only difference was I was suggesting they work together for a common cause, NOT form a common party or pressure group.

There is no need to form a new grouping, one can call all interested parties (in the non political sense) to work together for a common cause, pros and antis who want a referendum.

progcon.org

Catch up! That's already been done Christina. It's called IWAR. It failed to deliver a referendum.