Wales Hustings

komerad · 03-08-2008, 08:15 AM

Hello Scotland - Any Scots on the forum?
Can anyone tell me who the EU candidates were in the Scottish Region?
How many hustings there were & which candidates attended which hustings?
Just as a matter if interest, do we have any members in Scotland?
Wish Scotsgirl was still here

komerad · 03-08-2008, 12:13 PM

Agricultural & other Shows in Wales this Year

August -----------Event --------------------- Venue

10 Three Cocks Steam & Vintage Rally - Hay on Wye

12/13 Anglesey County Show - Gwalchmai, Anglesey

13 St Mellons Agricultural Show - Nr Newport, Gwent

16/17 Heart of Wales County Fair - Builth Wells, Powys.

19/21 Pembrokeshire County Show - Withy Bush Aerodrome,Haverfordwest.

20 Vale of Glamorgan Show - Fonmon Castle, Nr Barry

21 Denbigh & Flint County Show - Denbigh, Flintshire

23/25 N. Wales Town & Country Fair - St Asaph, Nr Rhyl

23 Bedwelty Agriculture Show B - lackwood, Gwent

28 Monmouthshire Show - Monmouth,Gwent. .

30 Llanddarog & Dist. Agriculture Show - Pantypwll Fields, Carmarthen
Sept.

13 Usk Farmer’s Show - Usk, Monmouthshire.

The UKIP Trailer will be on site at as many of these shows as possible, but visitors are advised to use the Contact No 07960153388 for the latest details as some of the shows could be cancelled due to adverse weather conditions. All members, supporters & holiday visitors welcome!!

nowayjose · 07-08-2008, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by komerad

The South West region & the Wales region asked that their regional polls
be independently monitored by the Electoral Reform Socity Services,as all the major parties do.
This request was, I believe, refused by the NEC, too costly perhaps??
As a member of a trade union for the past fifty years, all elections from local officials, to Union NEC elections, to the Leadership elections were always monitored by the ERS.or their predecessors.This ensured complete confidence in the election results.
Sadly, UKIP continue to keep the counting of all votes in-house, which means that some members whose chosen candidates are not successful are given an opportunity to raise doubts about the result.
For the sake of a few £K everything would be transparent & everyone happy.

False economy!!

The ERS refused to have anything to do with UKIP after the 2000 Leadership/NEC elections

Geoffrey Collier · 07-08-2008, 04:43 PM

nowayjose: The ERS provided quotes to SW for the current election, and they were acceptable to the regioanal committee. The ERS must have hadf a change of heart since 2000.

nowayjose · 07-08-2008, 04:45 PM

In that case all regions should be checked by the ERS

nowayjose · 07-08-2008, 04:46 PM

what price democracy?

mrabody · 07-08-2008, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stathan

I think that the inclusion of prepaid return envelopes was considered to have helped with the higher returns at the time.

Whether this was enough to account for 41% in reality I've no idea.

That may well be the case and it is an interesting point. This is the first explanation I have heard for last year's surprisingly high turnout for the NEC elections and it is one that may be credible.

Do we know of any other internal elections in UKIP in which prepaid envelopes were used for the return of ballots. It would be interesting to see whether there is in fact a measurable effect.

I note that the MEP ballots were not sent out with prepaid envelopes. It will be interesting to see what the return is.

komerad · 07-08-2008, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nowayjose

In that case all regions should be checked by the ERS

nowayjose - which was exactly what i suggested in the beginning

I know that a member at one of the hustings offered to pay for our region to be minitored by the ERSS, so as far as Wales was concerned it would have cost UKIP nothing - but NO, all counting to be at HQ.
Rather amateurish, don't you agree??

komerad · 07-08-2008, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrabody

I note that the MEP ballots were not sent out with prepaid envelopes. It will be interesting to see what the return is.

mrabody - You're very lucky Drew, we haven't seen a ballot paper yet, with or without a reminder that one of our EU PPCs (PW)was also on the Scottish list. Being that Paul Wiffen & Anu GunaVardhana did not appear at any of the three hustings IMHO, they should be scratched from the voting paper. A very poor show from both

komerad · 11-08-2008, 12:16 PM

We in Wales have just received the postal ballots for the regional list selections for the EU elections.
May I be allowed to quote one of the rules re this election:
"Candidates may apply to two regions, but this must be disclosed to both regional panels (and to members in the regions if any candidates make it to more than one shortlist)."
http://www.ukip.org/ukip/images/stor...tion_rules.pdf

There in NO mention of Paul Wiffen also standing in Scotland as well as Wales on the ballot papers, or in his personal address.
This is grossly unfair to the other 5 candidates standing, as well as a breach of UKIP's own rules.

I believe that the same error has been made in the London & SE region re: a candidate standing in both regions.
All that was needed was a two line sentence stating that " Candidate X was also seeking selection in region Y", stapled/added to each ballot form.
Surely, it is not to difficult for UKIP to organise an electorial ballot within
its own rules? Obviously not!!!!

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03-08-2008, 08:15 AM	#21 (permalink)
komerad Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cardiff. S.Wales Posts: 585	Hello Scotland - Any Scots on the forum? Can anyone tell me who the EU candidates were in the Scottish Region? How many hustings there were & which candidates attended which hustings? Just as a matter if interest, do we have any members in Scotland? Wish Scotsgirl was still here

03-08-2008, 12:13 PM	#22 (permalink)
komerad Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cardiff. S.Wales Posts: 585	Agricultural & other Shows in Wales this Year August -----------Event --------------------- Venue 10 Three Cocks Steam & Vintage Rally - Hay on Wye 12/13 Anglesey County Show - Gwalchmai, Anglesey 13 St Mellons Agricultural Show - Nr Newport, Gwent 16/17 Heart of Wales County Fair - Builth Wells, Powys. 19/21 Pembrokeshire County Show - Withy Bush Aerodrome,Haverfordwest. 20 Vale of Glamorgan Show - Fonmon Castle, Nr Barry 21 Denbigh & Flint County Show - Denbigh, Flintshire 23/25 N. Wales Town & Country Fair - St Asaph, Nr Rhyl 23 Bedwelty Agriculture Show B - lackwood, Gwent 28 Monmouthshire Show - Monmouth,Gwent. . 30 Llanddarog & Dist. Agriculture Show - Pantypwll Fields, Carmarthen Sept. 13 Usk Farmer’s Show - Usk, Monmouthshire. The UKIP Trailer will be on site at as many of these shows as possible, but visitors are advised to use the Contact No 07960153388 for the latest details as some of the shows could be cancelled due to adverse weather conditions. All members, supporters & holiday visitors welcome!!

07-08-2008, 04:43 PM	#24 (permalink)
Geoffrey Collier Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,006	nowayjose: The ERS provided quotes to SW for the current election, and they were acceptable to the regioanal committee. The ERS must have hadf a change of heart since 2000.

07-08-2008, 04:45 PM	#25 (permalink)
nowayjose Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: West Midlands Posts: 19 Party: UKIP	In that case all regions should be checked by the ERS

07-08-2008, 04:46 PM	#26 (permalink)
nowayjose Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: West Midlands Posts: 19 Party: UKIP	what price democracy?

11-08-2008, 12:16 PM	#30 (permalink)
komerad Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cardiff. S.Wales Posts: 585	We in Wales have just received the postal ballots for the regional list selections for the EU elections. May I be allowed to quote one of the rules re this election: "Candidates may apply to two regions, but this must be disclosed to both regional panels (and to members in the regions if any candidates make it to more than one shortlist)." http://www.ukip.org/ukip/images/stor...tion_rules.pdf There in NO mention of Paul Wiffen also standing in Scotland as well as Wales on the ballot papers, or in his personal address. This is grossly unfair to the other 5 candidates standing, as well as a breach of UKIP's own rules. I believe that the same error has been made in the London & SE region re: a candidate standing in both regions. All that was needed was a two line sentence stating that " Candidate X was also seeking selection in region Y", stapled/added to each ballot form. Surely, it is not to difficult for UKIP to organise an electorial ballot within its own rules? Obviously not!!!!