Barboo

This is a very likely scenario in the SE where MA is the only female on the list. Women often do extremely well, almost disproportionately so, in UKIP elections.

mrabody

I happen to think that this is a less likely scenario (Marta finishing ahead of but not far ahead of the next candidate). I happen to think it is more likely to be Nigel first, and Marta second with a large margin between her and the next candidate on the list. In that case the failure to alert members to her dual candidacy won't much matter and the party will have dodged a bullet.

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Drew Belobaba,
UKIP PPC for Lewes
Almost as unelectable as Raymond Finch!

michael mcgough

"Michael mcgough: I mean 'significant capital movement' a significance emanating from the amount. The accounting methods in the past have not been advantageous for the membership, and one more beneficial and cost-effective is possible." G.Collier

Just as I thought ,you didn't understand the question!

stathan

It's really quite simple



1) Candidates standing in 2 different areas should be identified as such on both the ballot paper and earlier resume pages. I personally would never vote for someone standing in two regions as they are quite clearly carpetbagging.

2) The party hierarchy knew about this issue before going to print as it was pointed out to them quite clearly.

3) I feel that candidates should only be able to stand in areas that a) they reside in b) a region in which they are a member of a branch c) An area in which they qualify under the previous two criteria and are also known as an active member.




To suggest that this is a little minor matter not worthy of correcting because of cost is ludicrous, I would suggest that the cost be passed on to the idiots who ignored the well in advance warnings of incorrect procedure and authorized the go ahead to print and deliver regardless.


None of the above is rocket science, in fact I can't think of anything simpler to implement.

Geoffrey Collier

michael mcgough: Are you disputing the use of the singular when the capital movements should have been described in the plural? If what you are attempting to say is of worth, articulate your thoughts more clearly please.

tamashi

Quite frankly I think this is pathetic! Candidates should be able to put themselves forward anywhere they like. It is then up to the membership in the particular region to decide who they want to vote for. Knowing UKIP however and the mentality of members like you it will be the local candidate who gets the vote regardless of the relative merits of the individuals on such things as political experience, character, ability or anything else you can mention. Where you live is apparently such a major consideration that all else must be trivial in comparison.

If all else is equal then yes take the local candidate but where the candidates live should be at best a tie break question, NOT the first consideration above all others. Take a region like the South West, if you live in Gibraltar then how familiar are you with the situation in Cornwall? Or the South East, a member on the Isle of Wight might not be 100% familiar with the problems of Bracknell but they are both in the same region.

stathan

I just lost my longer measured response to your post and can't be bothered writing it all out again.

But in brief

one can only assume that you would be quite happy for someone who has never so much as lifted a finger in a particular region, never funded or delivered a leaflet, never manned a UKIP stand at an agriculteral or other show, never recruited new local members, never badgered the press for UKIP coverage in the local media,

To just pitch up and displace a local candidate who flogs their guts out in the region all year long.



Well done you must be very proud of your views and obviously not so proud of local members working their socks off to promote the cause.



Fortunately myself and others think differently.






I'm afraid that I'm too dull to make head or tail of your second paragraph.

Geoffrey Collier

What has all this to do with the accounts, interesting though it is?

tamashi

You may be too dull to understand my second paragraph but you are definitely too small minded to attempt to understand my point in the first one. Unless of course you are choosing to misunderstand deliberately?

Someone who has never lifted a finger in a particular region will only be able to pitch up and displace a local candidate who flogs their guts out in the region all year long IF the local membership vote for them in preference to the local member. Just because someone is local dosen't mean they are best! Why are you so against candidates from outside the region even being allowed to put their names forward? What are you frightened of? Possibly that someone from outside the region will actually be a better candidate than you? Flogging your guts out all year long dosen't necessarily make you a good MEP Candidate. How many leaflets you can deliver isn't a key criteria for MEP selection in my book. I want someone articulate, well educated, presentable and committed to the cause. Someone who can advance UKIP on a National and International Platform. Whether or not they have delivered leaflets in a local election is not important to me. However, I come back to my original point, WHY are you so scared of allowing people the opportunity to put their names forward, ultimately the local membership make the decision so what's your problem?

stathan

That's possibly the most ridiculous case put forward for accepting some unknown carpetbagger onto a regional list that I've ever seen.


1) As you, I, and everyone else reading this well know, the overwhelming majority of any party membership take no more active part than paying their membership every 12 months and are totally unaware of the relative merits, work ethic or capability of any of the candidates.

They are voting blind based on a brief written resume provided by the candidates, so basically the majority of the votes are based on two or three paragraphs of self praise from each candidate rather than a true measure of their respective abilities.

2) Why would you be so adamant that Carpetbaggers touting themselves all round the country in several regions are not identified as such on both the ballot paper and the resume provided ? Surely as in your opinion there is nothing wrong with that there should be no reason not to do so. I suspect that you know full well that most people would take a dim view of those hedging their bets and vote accordingly.

3) I can only reiterate my disagreement with your support of those who pitch up in a region who nobody there has ever heard of and who have never lifted a finger for the party in that area.

4) In Wales as already pointed out elsewhere on this forum there are of course two candidates who haven't bothered to attend any of the hustings even to the extent of not even having the courtesy to offer apologies for absence, in my view they should be removed from the list immediately, not surprisingly both candidates are those who do not live in the region one of whom is also professing his undying devotion to all things Scottish in his attempt to get on the list there as well. The majority of the general membership of course would be unaware of the couldn't be bothered to make even the briefest of efforts candidates.


5) I'm not scared of anything and would wonder why you would think that I was? You or a friend wouldn't be having a bash in a region that you've never visited before by any chance would you?