News: Annabelle Fuller resigns from UKIP

C_steam · 09-08-2008, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Aardvark

they haven't comprehended what I was trying to say in the first place.

Ah - heres the thing - as far as they are concerned they have comprehended it. They just have made sense of it by applying their own set of filters (delete, distort, generalise), the filters being made from their own set of values, attitudes and beliefs.

In other words, they interpret to make it 'fit' into their 'map of the world'.

douglas denny · 09-08-2008, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by C_steam

Ah - heres the thing - as far as they are concerned they have comprehended it. They just have made sense of it by applying their own set of filters (delete, distort, generalise), the filters being made from their own set of values, attitudes and beliefs.

In other words, they interpret to make it 'fit' into their 'map of the world'.

Exactly so !

Explains a lot about people and their attitudes doesn't it?
Especially politics.

DED
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douglas denny · 09-08-2008, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by C_steam

Actually its wrong - what they should have made clearer is that your conscious mind can process around 7 +- 2 bits of information at any given time. Think of 'kims game' or similar in that to do well you need to start using memory 'tricks' to help (i.e remember the items as a story).

They shouldn#t have implied that you only percieve 7 bits - thats quite wrong.

Ah yes; I see now. I was thinking 'bits' maths sense - it really means (to give it a more understandable term for me) in full: "primary conscious attention object".

And at around #seven must mean a young female with good multi-tasking ability!
Mine is around 1+1/2 at best (+and- 3/4) if that, and only when fully awake, which is not often.

DED
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C_steam · 09-08-2008, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by douglas denny

And at around #seven must mean a young female with good multi-tasking ability! -

interestingly, there is some new research around which suggests that women are not so much good at multi-tasking (no-one is, apparently) but are 'fast switchers'. Can't quite see what practical difference that makes!

chikrodah · 09-08-2008, 03:40 PM

I think that's akin to the difference between being truly ambidextrous and being bi-dextrous. I definitely subscribe to the "fast switch" school of thought. I typically have 6 to 10 tasks going on at any one time at work, due to the need for keeping equipment downtime to a minimum. They are monitored in turn; I know that my brain is processing data regarding individual task instances, but I have a reputation at work for being a multitasker of near-telepathic proportions.

Regarding interpretation, it's interesting to see the results when people fail to filter input through their own world-view. The ensuing maladaption causes cognitive dissonance on a scale which means, very often, that the originator of the comments, articles, etc. is vilified as the enemy of all the recipient of the input believes in.

Geoffrey Collier · 09-08-2008, 04:02 PM

chikrodah: I knew I had a problem with the broader-world, now you have explained it for me: they are all just 'thick'.

michael mcgough · 09-08-2008, 04:59 PM

You of course are just thick skinned.

Aardvark · 09-08-2008, 06:19 PM

Mark Croucher,

Printers can be selected on the favourable way they handle contracts. I have been involved in election observation elsewhere in the world and as observers we occasionally end up at the printers. The reason for this is that there are limits on printing and production costs in many elections. I have been to a printer where the manager explained that the number of leaflets printed, and stated on the leaflet, was x (yes they declare the numbers in some countries). This figure was the one to be used in the declaration of expenses. When the manager left one of the workers, a friend of my interpreter, said 'For x, read x times 4'.

Another printer lost the contract for ballots, that he had had previously, in less than proper circumstances.

Knowing the name and address of the printers is important in transparent elections, that is why it is part of UK electoral law that candidates declare such things. The printing of ballots is something you can legitimately establish by a FOIA request from your election authority.

In an election where people are less than trusting, whether that lack of trust is well founded or not, it is important that all processes are followed to the letter and that every candidate is seen to be treated equally and fairly. Transparency is the order of the day.

We have the John West video debacle, we have the confusion over dual candidacies, we have the story of a hustings chairman praising one candidate over the others and we have a hustings meeting's details wrongly promulgated. This is just what I know of. The fact that there could be an issue over the printing and distribution of ballot papers following from the rule breach adds to the confusion. The fact that there is no certainty about which printers were used and whether the quote process was followed is another issue that muddies the waters.

Geoffrey Collier · 12-08-2008, 06:12 PM

Although not aware of any details, the coffee houses of England are awash with rumours about Annabelle Fullers new occupation. Is it true that she regrets having resigned, and new employment has been found for her in Brussels, working as a researcher for Nigel Farage? Any truth in these stories?

douglas denny · 12-08-2008, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoffrey Collier

Although not aware of any details, the coffee houses of England are awash with rumours about Annabelle Fullers new occupation. Is it true that she regrets having resigned, and new employment has been found for her in Brussels, working as a researcher for Nigel Farage? Any truth in these stories?

They may be talking about nothing else in the coffee houses in Aldwick Geoffrey that you inhabit .......

..... as for the rest of the country ..... who cares??

DED.
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09-08-2008, 06:19 PM	#168 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,973	Mark Croucher, Printers can be selected on the favourable way they handle contracts. I have been involved in election observation elsewhere in the world and as observers we occasionally end up at the printers. The reason for this is that there are limits on printing and production costs in many elections. I have been to a printer where the manager explained that the number of leaflets printed, and stated on the leaflet, was x (yes they declare the numbers in some countries). This figure was the one to be used in the declaration of expenses. When the manager left one of the workers, a friend of my interpreter, said 'For x, read x times 4'. Another printer lost the contract for ballots, that he had had previously, in less than proper circumstances. Knowing the name and address of the printers is important in transparent elections, that is why it is part of UK electoral law that candidates declare such things. The printing of ballots is something you can legitimately establish by a FOIA request from your election authority. In an election where people are less than trusting, whether that lack of trust is well founded or not, it is important that all processes are followed to the letter and that every candidate is seen to be treated equally and fairly. Transparency is the order of the day. We have the John West video debacle, we have the confusion over dual candidacies, we have the story of a hustings chairman praising one candidate over the others and we have a hustings meeting's details wrongly promulgated. This is just what I know of. The fact that there could be an issue over the printing and distribution of ballot papers following from the rule breach adds to the confusion. The fact that there is no certainty about which printers were used and whether the quote process was followed is another issue that muddies the waters. __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

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09-08-2008, 03:40 PM	#165 (permalink)
chikrodah Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Midlands Posts: 1,709	I think that's akin to the difference between being truly ambidextrous and being bi-dextrous. I definitely subscribe to the "fast switch" school of thought. I typically have 6 to 10 tasks going on at any one time at work, due to the need for keeping equipment downtime to a minimum. They are monitored in turn; I know that my brain is processing data regarding individual task instances, but I have a reputation at work for being a multitasker of near-telepathic proportions. Regarding interpretation, it's interesting to see the results when people fail to filter input through their own world-view. The ensuing maladaption causes cognitive dissonance on a scale which means, very often, that the originator of the comments, articles, etc. is vilified as the enemy of all the recipient of the input believes in.

09-08-2008, 04:02 PM	#166 (permalink)
Geoffrey Collier Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,160	chikrodah: I knew I had a problem with the broader-world, now you have explained it for me: they are all just 'thick'.

09-08-2008, 04:59 PM	#167 (permalink)
michael mcgough Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Essex Posts: 944	You of course are just thick skinned.

12-08-2008, 06:12 PM	#169 (permalink)
Geoffrey Collier Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,160	Although not aware of any details, the coffee houses of England are awash with rumours about Annabelle Fullers new occupation. Is it true that she regrets having resigned, and new employment has been found for her in Brussels, working as a researcher for Nigel Farage? Any truth in these stories?