UKIPPER charged with raping three young boys

Akebono · 07-02-2008, 01:43 PM

Kidd did well in elections and posted more than 6% of the popular and common vote. If he is innocent then the way forward works and if Gulit then he and the other one deserve to stray inside.

The butler Kidd is a member and he should not be.

Never should have been and if he can then prove afterwards that it was never him then it's all ok. But - this is well reported and we have to be on guard. Thanks to wenspapers like Sun and The Guradian it keeps the population well-informed and in-the-know. Report it and make sure that people are not abusing their powers and are living lives as correct as possible.

Ricky Gervais said it quite correctly when he wrote "Extras Series One" and "The Xmas Special" and I think the little sketch when he was doing FAME was hilarious.

Good one - keep up the close observation of the public and I and others will feel safer and protected.

Suss it and thank you Anthony!

Rosie · 07-02-2008, 02:02 PM

Like it or not the man is innocent until proven guilty, so why should he not be a member of UKIP or any other party? If found guilty then different story. But remember, innocent people have been victims of malicious accusations before, such as Dave Jones the ex-Southampton football manager.

In future how are people in head office supposed to know when an applicant for membership has committed a crime and got away with it? A crystal ball perhaps?

Akebono · 07-02-2008, 02:06 PM

Absolutely.

This is sound advise and great!!

The people at UKIP Head Office cannot be held responsible.....

Tony Bennett · 02-10-2008, 07:08 PM

To date, this is one of 339 articles worldwide (picked up from Google News) to report that Paul Kidd has pleaded guilty to 29 charges. Apparently he will be sentenced next month.

The 'METRO' reports two-thirds of the way into the article that "Kidd once stood as a U.K. Independence Party candidate". He was found in 2006 with 18,000 indecent images on his computer.

The judge at Manchester Minshull Crown Court warned him that he would be jailed:

The paedophile at the Palace | Metro.co.uk

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kernow · 02-10-2008, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rosie

In future how are people in head office supposed to know when an applicant for membership has committed a crime and got away with it? A crystal ball perhaps?

Hear! Hear!

T.N.Warry · 02-10-2008, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

Yup, it's an absolute disgrace. Innocent until proven guilty... except that everyone he knows will think that he is a paedophile in the mean time, and probably for ever after, even if he is found innocent.

If found guilty, he should never be let out. Ever.

I'd happily bring back capital punishmnet for this type of offence in line with about 80% of the population.

Why is it democracy is a good thing until it wants something our politicians don't

Tony Bennett · 02-10-2008, 09:00 PM

More about the paedophile UKIP candidate Paul Kidd in today's 'Times':

Former royal butler faces jail for sex with underage boys - Times Online

Kidd’s use of a webcam, the number of indecent images, and the ***sharing of at least one victim between two men*** has prompted suggestions that he ***could have been part of a larger paedophile ring***.

Kidd, who has worked in children’s homes and ***met one of his victims while working as a nurse***, was said by the prosecution team to have an easy charm. One source described him as a ***“brilliant” sexual groomer***. He had said that he was bisexual but that he had changed his ways after becoming a practising Christian. After his arrest he said would leave his fate with God. Kidd, who stood alongside Hobday in the dock at Minshull Street Crown Court, Manchester, admitted offences ***dating from 1975 to 2006***.

He pleaded guilty to ***making indecent images of children, possessing indecent images of children, indecent assault, sexual activity with a child, sexual touching of a child and causing or inciting a child to engage in sexual activity***. Hobday, of Dukinfield, Tame-side, pleaded guilty to sexual activity with a child and possessing an indecent video of a child.

Judge Khokar told the men that they were likely to be jailed. He ordered that they be held in custody while preisentence reports were drawn up.

Kidd, who has a son who lives in America, ***stood as a UKIP candidate in Dukinfield and Stalybridge in last year’s local government elections***. He has been suspended from the party.

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So he is still a member of UKIP?

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cookie65 · 02-10-2008, 09:21 PM

If you prefer the less UKIP bashing form of address, you could try "So is he still a member of UKIP?"
He was suspended from the party on the next working day. I for one would not wish to be a member of a party that summarily dismissed a member before his guilt was established. I am confident that had he still been a member when he pleaded guilty, steps would now be in place to expel him. As it is he is no longer a member due to his membership expiring before his trial date.

kernow · 02-10-2008, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T.N.Warry

I'd happily bring back capital punishmnet for this type of offence in line with about 80% of the population.

Why is it democracy is a good thing until it wants something our politicians don't

Never truer words written!

Tony Bennett · 02-10-2008, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cookie65

If you prefer the less UKIP bashing form of address, you could try "So is he still a member of UKIP?"
He was suspended from the party on the next working day. I for one would not wish to be a member of a party that summarily dismissed a member before his guilt was established. I am confident that had he still been a member when he pleaded guilty, steps would now be in place to expel him. As it is he is no longer a member due to his membership expiring before his trial date.

Thanks for the explanation, if you look at my posting, I did not bash UKIP, I just asked an innocent question. However, I am not sure that suspension was the right decision. Was Ashley Mote suspended pending a finding of guilt against him? - No. He was rightly expelled. Was Paul Kidd interviewed by anyone senior in UKIP when the allegations surfaced?

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02-10-2008, 07:08 PM	#14 (permalink)
Tony Bennett Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,030	The paedophile and UKIP candidate at the Palace To date, this is one of 339 articles worldwide (picked up from Google News) to report that Paul Kidd has pleaded guilty to 29 charges. Apparently he will be sentenced next month. The 'METRO' reports two-thirds of the way into the article that "Kidd once stood as a U.K. Independence Party candidate". He was found in 2006 with 18,000 indecent images on his computer. The judge at Manchester Minshull Crown Court warned him that he would be jailed: The paedophile at the Palace \| Metro.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

02-10-2008, 09:00 PM	#17 (permalink)
Tony Bennett Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,030	More about the paedophile UKIP candidate Paul Kidd in today's 'Times' More about the paedophile UKIP candidate Paul Kidd in today's 'Times': Former royal butler faces jail for sex with underage boys - Times Online Kidd’s use of a webcam, the number of indecent images, and the *sharing of at least one victim between two men* has prompted suggestions that he *could have been part of a larger paedophile ring. Kidd, who has worked in children’s homes and met one of his victims while working as a nurse, was said by the prosecution team to have an easy charm. One source described him as a “brilliant” sexual groomer. He had said that he was bisexual but that he had changed his ways after becoming a practising Christian. After his arrest he said would leave his fate with God. Kidd, who stood alongside Hobday in the dock at Minshull Street Crown Court, Manchester, admitted offences dating from 1975 to 2006. He pleaded guilty to making indecent images of children, possessing indecent images of children, indecent assault, sexual activity with a child, sexual touching of a child and causing or inciting a child to engage in sexual activity. Hobday, of Dukinfield, Tame-side, pleaded guilty to sexual activity with a child and possessing an indecent video of a child. Judge Khokar told the men that they were likely to be jailed. He ordered that they be held in custody while preisentence reports were drawn up. Kidd, who has a son who lives in America, stood as a UKIP candidate in Dukinfield and Stalybridge in last year’s local government elections*. He has been suspended from the party. +++++ So he is still a member of UKIP? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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07-02-2008, 01:43 PM	#11 (permalink)
Akebono Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 127	Kidd did well in elections and posted more than 6% of the popular and common vote. If he is innocent then the way forward works and if Gulit then he and the other one deserve to stray inside. The butler Kidd is a member and he should not be. Never should have been and if he can then prove afterwards that it was never him then it's all ok. But - this is well reported and we have to be on guard. Thanks to wenspapers like Sun and The Guradian it keeps the population well-informed and in-the-know. Report it and make sure that people are not abusing their powers and are living lives as correct as possible. Ricky Gervais said it quite correctly when he wrote "Extras Series One" and "The Xmas Special" and I think the little sketch when he was doing FAME was hilarious. Good one - keep up the close observation of the public and I and others will feel safer and protected. Suss it and thank you Anthony!

07-02-2008, 02:02 PM	#12 (permalink)
Rosie Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Midlands Posts: 124	Like it or not the man is innocent until proven guilty, so why should he not be a member of UKIP or any other party? If found guilty then different story. But remember, innocent people have been victims of malicious accusations before, such as Dave Jones the ex-Southampton football manager. In future how are people in head office supposed to know when an applicant for membership has committed a crime and got away with it? A crystal ball perhaps?

07-02-2008, 02:06 PM	#13 (permalink)
Akebono Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 127	Absolutely. This is sound advise and great!! The people at UKIP Head Office cannot be held responsible.....

02-10-2008, 09:21 PM	#18 (permalink)
cookie65 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: hyde cheshire Posts: 648	If you prefer the less UKIP bashing form of address, you could try "So is he still a member of UKIP?" He was suspended from the party on the next working day. I for one would not wish to be a member of a party that summarily dismissed a member before his guilt was established. I am confident that had he still been a member when he pleaded guilty, steps would now be in place to expel him. As it is he is no longer a member due to his membership expiring before his trial date.