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Old 06-02-2007, 08:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Just to see what the opinion is across ukip members.

Would you welcome back Damian Hockney and Peter Hulme-Cross?

Ok they may not want to rejoin UKIP but if they did would they have the members support?
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Old 06-02-2007, 09:10 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Those activists that left to go with Veritas could never be trusted again, and should not be repatriated. Ordinary members that were lead astray could possibly return to the fold, but each case on its own merits. Any UKIP activist that leaves UKIP and joins any of the three main EUphile Parties or the EDs, should be regarded as a traitor.
I am not voting here as the numbers are so small as to be insignificant.
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Old 06-02-2007, 11:25 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I'd welcome back Peter Hulme-Cross without any conditions or reservations at all.

Given the past disagreements, there is always going to be a problem about accepting back some members of One London, and some members of One London would always have a problem about asking to come back anyway.

Therefore I'm sticking with the suggestion I made on another thread a few months back:

Make a permanent alliance between UKIP and One London, on the lines of the permanent alliance that exists between Labour and the Co-operative Party. In London elections, candidates would stand as UKIP One London candidates, and that would be the name of the group in the Assembly. However, formally speaking the two parties would remain separate entities. This would mean that Damian Hockney could remain leader of One London without having to be a member of UKIP, and UKIP could co-operate with him without having to formlly accept him back into the party. Indeed, as leader of another party, he would be permanently barred from UKIP membership (and for symmetry, Nigel Farage would be similarly barred from membership of One London.) Others currently in One London would have a choice of sole membership of either UKIP or One London, or else dual membership of the two parties. As time went on, it would matter less and less who was in which organisation.
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They would have probably learnt their lesson from splintering off in the first place. This party needs as much support and manpower as it can get.
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I'd welcome back Peter Hulme-Cross without any conditions or reservations at all.

Given the past disagreements, there is always going to be a problem about accepting back some members of One London, and some members of One London would always have a problem about asking to come back anyway.

Therefore I'm sticking with the suggestion I made on another thread a few months back:

Make a permanent alliance between UKIP and One London, on the lines of the permanent alliance that exists between Labour and the Co-operative Party. In London elections, candidates would stand as UKIP One London candidates, and that would be the name of the group in the Assembly. However, formally speaking the two parties would remain separate entities. This would mean that Damian Hockney could remain leader of One London without having to be a member of UKIP, and UKIP could co-operate with him without having to formlly accept him back into the party. Indeed, as leader of another party, he would be permanently barred from UKIP membership (and for symmetry, Nigel Farage would be similarly barred from membership of One London.) Others currently in One London would have a choice of sole membership of either UKIP or One London, or else dual membership of the two parties. As time went on, it would matter less and less who was in which organisation.
As an UKIP member who lives in London I am happy to fully support every single word of the above without qualification.
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Part of me says never but another part understands that we do not have the resources to waste by fighting amongst ourselves. We need to come to some kind of understanding.
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Those activists that left to go with Veritas could never be trusted again, and should not be repatriated. Ordinary members that were lead astray could possibly return to the fold, but each case on its own merits. Any UKIP activist that leaves UKIP and joins any of the three main EUphile Parties or the EDs, should be regarded as a traitor.
I am not voting here as the numbers are so small as to be insignificant.
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They felt they had good reason to leave UKIP at the time - there was fault on all sides.

We should learn from this, and set up the organisation of UKIP so that people have less reason to get ****** off with the way things are done, and at the same time encourage everyone to be less easily aggrieved.
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There is also a connection between this thread and what has been said on one about another member of the NEC resigning.

However, on this thread eublues wrote
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Change, "We", to "Nigel Farage", and most of the people that left UKIP would still be there. Remember over the years he has always claimed UKIP to be a "Grass roots Party"? Well he has always been in charge of the herbicide.

One thing he has made clear is that he has no concept of 'Party'. To give two examples. In the lead up to the EU Election of 2004 he instigated, without prior approval of the NEC, the sending out of solicitor's letters to 21 Party activists. When he took charge of UKIP last year he announced his new leadership team to the Party Conference before putting it to the NEC.

In both instances he presented the NEC with a fait accompli.

I understand that he ran the South Eastern Region. He also oversaw the disgraceful scams by the Ashford Office, and allowed it continue in spite of the numerous requests for it to be shut down.

The question that needs to be asked is whether those grafters who helped UKIP to get to the position it is in today would want to rejoin an organisation that claims to want democracy for the UK but is controlled by just a handful of people who don't give a stuff about building good solid relationships within UKIP itself. Moreover, when presented with sound ideas, they ignore them because they lack the capacity to understand that such things are important. The Philosophy in UKIP has always been, 'What does it matter if someone leaves, we didn't need them anyway'.

I wonder how the much publicised recruits from the Tory Party will fare in UKIP when they find that Nigel is one thing, the Party is another.
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