Besoeker

You may choose to go in them. You don't have to.

This-England

It's whats called Populism.
The will of the majority its quite the opposite to Fascism which is rule by an elite or one leader.
Traditional Conservatives will all so support my approach as they put Order and the Condition of the people before Freedom.

B.A.Ware

So there is no demand for non-smoking pubs in your area.

If the government ran the strip clubs I would but as they are private clubs I believe they should be free to serve whichever clients they choose.

What you are actually saying is the pub owners are serving the interests of the vast majority of their clients how stupid of them

Pub owners make very little out of cigarettes and if the pub owners were greedy why don’t they cater for the huge demand of non-smokers :roll:

I’m all right jack


Not everyone is quite as selfish as your-self take mkpdavies I know he is a non-smoker but given a vote on this ban he would vote against it how does that benefit himself.

Take me I have two children but I don’t believe in universal child allowance if there was a vote on this I would vote against it therefore reducing my disposable income how does that benefit me?

This is exactly what is wrong with society today yes a good proportion of people like yourself are irresponsible and selfish and vote for quick fixes that they think will benefit themselves. Some people can see the bigger picture and would vote for what would help society as a whole.

I do.

I do

I would be free to smoke in private pubs which allowed me to do so, you are happy to give up my freedom because it doesn’t affect you, you are also happy to give up the freedom of a private landlord to serve whom ever he wishes.

Where was the huge public demand for this.

The will of the majority its quite the opposite to Fascism which is rule by an elite or one leader.

As above

mkpdavies

Actually, as things stand I benefit from cigarette smokers subsidising the NHS massively. That's not why I am against the health-fascists (This-England is just a fascist in general) demanding their lifestyle be put above the lifestyles of a pub owner and their other customers.

I think that's all wrong too. The taxation on cigarettes should take into account how much smoking illness costs the NHS. Not the punitive taxes, that effects low earners more than anyone else we have now.

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This-England

There is a huge demand for non-smoking pubs in my area that’s why everyone I know who doesn’t smoke backs the ban.
The Smokers of course oppose the ban. (self interest again)
In makes sense for the pubs to be all for smoking then the non-smokers have no choice.
Of course the choice of pub is not just about whether you can smoke there or not other factors come in like who drinks there, women, beer types etc.
If you take your Libertarian Freedom logic even further we would allow Crack to be smoked in pubs too.
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This-England

Would you allow Crack to be smoked in pubs then?

mkpdavies

Wow, mass hypocrisy in on sentance.

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It's just basic human self interest.
Somthing you Libertarians cant seem to get to grips with.

mkpdavies

No, we just don't expect to force our interests on everyone.

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B.A.Ware

So there are no businessmen in your area that would like to fill this lucrative opportunity.
There was me thinking market forces should prevail, there’s no butchers around my area that sell halal meat perhaps the government should bring out a law making all butchers sell it.

Unlike Non-smokers I believe both parties should be catered for and the government should legislate on the air condition in private establishments under the health and safety law.

Again I think both parties should be catered for. It is not for governments to dictate what type of customers private businesses want to cater for.


If crack was a legal substance that you could buy from any newsagent and it didn’t have mind altering substances in it I would but as it is an illegal product, no.