Legalise Euthanasia

felneymike · 30-12-2004, 07:36 PM

I'm frankly suprised Euthanasia isnt already legal, but then we do live under a government which panders to a bigger government which is all about telling us what we can and cant do, rather than allowing us to have a free choice

Carl Faulkner · 30-12-2004, 11:12 PM

I don't like to copy and paste whole posts but just to answer the points made:

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1) Today's economy is reliant on a male and female workforce. A woman cannot function properly in society if she doesn't have control over her reproductive system.

Has been for many years. Ever heard of the cotton mills of Lancashire/Yorkshire for example ? No more important function in 'society' than bringing up one's own children.

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2) When you make abortion illegal, the number of abortions don't decrease, but the number of women who die as a consequence of being forced onto the 'back streets' do. I could, at this point, wave around a picture of a dead woman, but I prefer not to let emotions take over this issue.

Don't recall mentioning outlawing abortion. It is a barbaric form of birth control. That is what I said.

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3) Most abortions happen before 3 months, yet sometimes it takes this long for a woman to realise she is pregnant. I'm sure we can dig up from our memory those pictures on the front of the Daily Outrage but let's all remember this: a foetus can't survive outside the womb much before 7 months. If a pregnant woman is murdered and both her and the foetus are killed, it is not a double murder. The law can see that the foetus is not something in it's own right at that point. One cannot have 'rights' without 'responsibilities'.

Before three months or after - still barbaric.

'foetus' the medical term favoured by abortionists to dehumanise a baby in the womb. When was the last time you heard a happily expectant woman comment that she felt her foetus kicking?

So after 7 months should there be a charge of murder iin the scenario above?

The law at its expedient best

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4) Birth control fails, and people get raped. **** happens in life and whilst one must be prepared to face the consequences, there also must be measures in place. I'm guessing you don't want me to go INTO phpbb_more detail about this section...

.Not realising you are pregnant? Birth control failure; rape 180,000 times per year?

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5) Pro-choice isn't about telling people to have abortions. Women don't want to have to go through them - they are traumatic and invasive. They don't use them as a form of birth control either. So please, don't just sit there with your penis and patronise - just be thankful you will never have to make that decision

Leaving aside the cynical selfish women who make a 'rational' decision to have an abortion based on self interest, I really do sympathise with the vulnerable who find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy. In a society where the mantra of 'a woman's choice' 'her body' is trotted out at every opportunity it is hardly surprising that there are 180,000 abortions a year.

Why did the hospital where my last child was born feel it was necessary to offer tests for Downs Syndrome and Spina Bifida (I think) ? Nothing could be done for the baby in such circumstances. Then the penny dropped. In the event of emergency, break the glass marked abortion. Nudge, nudge. Wink, wink.

Didn't have the tests.

I am all for a woman's right. The right to say no.

But back to my basic point. If this civilised society of ours defends the abortion of 180,000 unborn babies, what is the fuss over euthenasia?

Biscuitman · 31-12-2004, 12:01 AM

I've totally lost the plot on this one.

It appears Carl and Bella are having a pop at each other whilst both supporting the same principal.

I've also lost your point as well Carl. it appears that you are saying we should have euthenasia because we allow abortions. But then again, it looks like you are against abortions in the first place????

Ooooh, my head hurts. "I'm a pensions man, get me out of here!"

Carl Faulkner · 31-12-2004, 12:32 AM

The point is simple. Why the discussion on euthenasia (should we or shouldn't we).

Let's not kid ourselves that we live in a caring society where life is valued.

kernow · 31-12-2004, 01:03 AM

Apart from rape or the unborn child being severly handicapped, I am against abortion. I am also against euthanasia,( you can't trust relatives if you have money!) but I am pro' :wink: capital punishment for just about any serious crime!

Bellatrix · 31-12-2004, 01:17 AM

The question of trust and money is a hugely important part of the euthanaisa question. I am sure that if it is made legal, it will bring about a huge number of cases. However, as a liberal I do believe that humans should have the right to die with dignity. If that is possible.

Carl - you and I are never going to agree. I've had this argument many a time with ill-informed people and I have no desire to have another one.

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Biscuitman Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Reading Posts: 3,486	I've totally lost the plot on this one. It appears Carl and Bella are having a pop at each other whilst both supporting the same principal. I've also lost your point as well Carl. it appears that you are saying we should have euthenasia because we allow abortions. But then again, it looks like you are against abortions in the first place???? Ooooh, my head hurts. "I'm a pensions man, get me out of here!" __________________ IF THE EU WAS THE ANSWER, IT MUST HAVE BEEN A STUPID QUESTION!

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30-12-2004, 07:36 PM	#21 (permalink)
felneymike Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cambridgeshire Posts: 78	I'm frankly suprised Euthanasia isnt already legal, but then we do live under a government which panders to a bigger government which is all about telling us what we can and cant do, rather than allowing us to have a free choice

31-12-2004, 12:32 AM	#24 (permalink)
Carl Faulkner Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 352	The point is simple. Why the discussion on euthenasia (should we or shouldn't we). Let's not kid ourselves that we live in a caring society where life is valued.

31-12-2004, 01:03 AM	#25 (permalink)
kernow Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 5,182	Apart from rape or the unborn child being severly handicapped, I am against abortion. I am also against euthanasia,( you can't trust relatives if you have money!) but I am pro' :wink: capital punishment for just about any serious crime!

31-12-2004, 01:17 AM	#26 (permalink)
Bellatrix Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 625	The question of trust and money is a hugely important part of the euthanaisa question. I am sure that if it is made legal, it will bring about a huge number of cases. However, as a liberal I do believe that humans should have the right to die with dignity. If that is possible. Carl - you and I are never going to agree. I've had this argument many a time with ill-informed people and I have no desire to have another one.