Bellatrix

And abortion? I thought we were supposed to be a sensible party?

Bobby-Veritas's Boy

I don't remember mentioning abortion. Now that you've asked though, my belief is as it's there for those who need it, it should be a personal choice. I thankfully have not been in the position when I've had to consider it. I can't think of a worse position to be in. For those who find themselves in that position don't need legislation they need compassion and understanding. Yes there will be those who abuse the system, but that happens in all walks of life.

C_steam

Strangely, I'm with son of robert on this one. Making abortion illegal will just drive it INTO phpbb_the realms of the back streets and/or old ladies with knitting needles (as my mother told me, many years ago).

Of course, provision should be made to stop unwanted pregnancy in the first place, and make adoption easier in the second. One of the crimes of the recent governments is the sheer difficulty inb actually adopting, made worse by rules on ethnicity - it is more difficult to adopt outsider of your own colour - honestly.

Bellatrix

BB - you seem to have jumped on a question i made to Carl F.....

Carl Faulkner

It is quite bizarre that a 'civilised' society which facilitates 180,000 abortions per year agonises over euthanasia or capital punishment.

Don't know what a neo-con is (although I've heard the term) - obviously a derogatory term for someone who thinks abortion a barbaric form of birth control. Lifestyle abortions even worse.

Convince me that having an abortion is ok if it means not missing out on that all important promotion or being able to buy that dream house.

Biscuitman

Give women a referendum on abortion, not mens choice... it isnt our bodies

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Carl Faulkner

What a weak argument...although a good one when talking about plastic surgery.

It is a barbaric form of birth control. Pure and simple.

There was a programme the other day showing a pile of processed meat a family ate in one month. The meat when packaged on a supermarket shelf can look reasonably attractive and edible. The meat piled up looked disgusting. As a meat eater it made me feel queasy.

TRy turning away from the image of the clinical, caring, women's rights, abotion clinics, and imagine a pile of 180,000 aborted babies.

That is the society we live in.

Why the hang up over euthanasia? That's my point.

Biscuitman

Two words:-

Harold Shipman

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Bellatrix

Neo-Con = Neo-Conservative. In political terms it means someone who used to be left wing, but then jumped to the right. A classic example is Dubya and his gang of Merry Men who rule America according to their religious beliefs.

Please also note: don't take a patronising tone with me. Your talk of 'deam houses' and 'promotions' clearly illustrate that you know little of what you are talking about, and no regards of the rights a woman should have over her own body.

Here are a few started points for you:

1) Today's economy is reliant on a male and female workforce. A woman cannot function properly in society if she doesn't have control over her reproductive system.

2) When you make abortion illegal, the number of abortions don't decrease, but the number of women who die as a consequence of being forced onto the 'back streets' do. I could, at this point, wave around a picture of a dead woman, but I prefer not to let emotions take over this issue.

3) Most abortions happen before 3 months, yet sometimes it takes this long for a woman to realise she is pregnant. I'm sure we can dig up from our memory those pictures on the front of the Daily Outrage but let's all remember this: a foetus can't survive outside the womb much before 7 months. If a pregnant woman is murdered and both her and the foetus are killed, it is not a double murder. The law can see that the foetus is not something in it's own right at that point. One cannot have 'rights' without 'responsibilities'.

4) Birth control fails, and people get raped. **** happens in life and whilst one must be prepared to face the consequences, there also must be measures in place. I'm guessing you don't want me to go INTO phpbb_more detail about this section....

5) Pro-choice isn't about telling people to have abortions. Women don't want to have to go through them - they are traumatic and invasive. They don't use them as a form of birth control either. So please, don't just sit there with your penis and patronise - just be thankful you will never have to make that decision.

Julian Morrison

To me abortion's quite simple. I don't have the right to parasite off someone else against their will, not even if it were the only thing keeping me alive. I didn't have that right either as a baby. I was a guest, as are all other babies, and an unwanted guest may be ejected. Their continued survival thereafter is not the host's problem.

As for euthanasia, I own my own body and may suicide or grant others permission to kill me. Check that I really meant it? Sure, no problem. Forcibly prevent me or my delegate? That would amount to a competing claim of ownership, ie: of slave-ownership, and I reject it.