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BonnieDundee · 12-10-2008, 06:46 AM

No it wasn't.

The Socialists and liberals who dominated the gov't until the fall of the Cabellero gov't in the summer of 1937 were into parlimentary democracy and the republic.

The anarchists and Orwell's POUM were not for parliamentary democracy, and didn't really take part in the Popular front gov't but they for direct, local democracy in political and economic spheres.

The only real undemocratic element was the PSUC or communist party backed by Russia and they only managed to gain power after the May days. After that is just becomes a contest of between the greater evil of Franco and his German and Italian allies or the PSUC and their Russian allies.

British-Conservatism · 12-10-2008, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

No it wasn't.

The Socialists and liberals who dominated the gov't until the fall of the Cabellero gov't in the summer of 1937 were into parlimentary democracy and the republic.

The anarchists and Orwell's POUM were not for parliamentary democracy, and didn't really take part in the Popular front gov't but they for direct, local democracy in political and economic spheres.

The only real undemocratic element was the PSUC or communist party backed by Russia and they only managed to gain power after the May days. After that is just becomes a contest of between the greater evil of Franco and his German and Italian allies or the PSUC and their Russian allies.

Is this the same Popular Front government that banned Right Wing Propaganda?

BonnieDundee · 13-10-2008, 10:52 AM

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Is this the same Popular Front government that banned Right Wing Propaganda?

When was this?

I'm not sure I'd support it but you could see why putting up enemy propaganda would not be liked by the people and gov't. Franco was the same or worse of course.

British-Conservatism · 13-10-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

When was this?

I'm not sure I'd support it but you could see why putting up enemy propaganda would not be liked by the people and gov't. Franco was the same or worse of course.

This was before the war.
The Right never did anything like that before the war.
The Popular Front was turning Spain into a Socialist dictatorship.

BonnieDundee · 13-10-2008, 11:43 AM

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This was before the war.

Do you have evidence for this? If it is true it is deplorable, although I doubt the other side would have been any better if they had one the election.

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The Right never did anything like that before the war.

Well the army was already conspiring and their were paramilitary groups and violence on all sides. The forming of the things like the Falange version of the SA fall within things like that. Of course the right were not in gov't, so couldn't have taken gov't measures like that.

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The Popular Front was turning Spain into a Socialist dictatorship.

That is incorrect, as evidenced by events. The early revolutionary stages were very decentralised and saw pretty much the anarchist and some socialist almost rejection of the authority of the Popular Front and the Republican gov't itself. It was only later that after the May days that anything like an authoritarian, centralised state was in the process of being formed with the Russia's strangle hold over suppliers greatly encouraging things.

British-Conservatism · 14-10-2008, 01:56 AM

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Do you have evidence for this? If it is true it is deplorable, although I doubt the other side would have been any better if they had one the election.

Well the army was already conspiring and their were paramilitary groups and violence on all sides. The forming of the things like the Falange version of the SA fall within things like that. Of course the right were not in gov't, so couldn't have taken gov't measures like that.

That is incorrect, as evidenced by events. The early revolutionary stages were very decentralised and saw pretty much the anarchist and some socialist almost rejection of the authority of the Popular Front and the Republican gov't itself. It was only later that after the May days that anything like an authoritarian, centralised state was in the process of being formed with the Russia's strangle hold over suppliers greatly encouraging things.

I want you to read about this war I don’t think you’re the bigot you appear you could well change your views if you have an open mind.

BonnieDundee · 15-10-2008, 07:39 AM

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I want you to read about this war I don’t think you’re the bigot you appear you could well change your views if you have an open mind.

What are you talking about?

I've read quite a bit about it, I daresay from this discussion and your replies I have shown a greater knowledge than you. Although that could just be because I'm committed to trying to be as unbiased as possible in political discussions whereas so many aren't.

Do you have this evidence?

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BonnieDundee Uber Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Between Mallaig and Cornwall. Posts: 2,809	No it wasn't. The Socialists and liberals who dominated the gov't until the fall of the Cabellero gov't in the summer of 1937 were into parlimentary democracy and the republic. The anarchists and Orwell's POUM were not for parliamentary democracy, and didn't really take part in the Popular front gov't but they for direct, local democracy in political and economic spheres. The only real undemocratic element was the PSUC or communist party backed by Russia and they only managed to gain power after the May days. After that is just becomes a contest of between the greater evil of Franco and his German and Italian allies or the PSUC and their Russian allies. __________________ "It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state." -Bruce Schneier How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and pss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.* Edward Abbey Leopold Kohr.

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