London Orbital

Fair point – I can comment. Two police were waiting outside the meeting as my article stated. Then the ‘antifascist’ thugs suddenly appeared and the attack on the woman took place. At this, the police went into action – just as my article states - and the thugs began running with the police chasing them on foot and in a van.

The thugs turned the corner by Bethnal Green station as a larger number of other people who had been in the meeting were now crossing the main road.

I would guess that the comment you quoted came from one of those who was now crossing the road and then stayed watching subsequent events unfold for the next 20 minutes or so from a pub called The Salmon and Ball.

The fact is that the police dealt with the situation and this was – in no sense – a confrontation between two gangs, as you imply.

True, if they had come a few minutes earlier there might have been a punch up as the guy says – since they would then have been attacking the main body of people who were in the process of leaving the meeting hall.

However, the moment they chose for their attack was on a mere 8 people who were still standing outside the hall waiting for their lift home.

This group - moreover - was largely made up of women.

Since Indymedia is an extreme left site, you would be very unlikely to find a reference to the attack on the girl, since it was carried out by one of their own.

However this comment under the same article also appears on Indymedia - posted by someone called ‘Bethnal Green Boy’

Arrests last night
06.10.2008 18:26
Please note that due to unprovoked and heavy handed actions of the police 7 people were arrested last night after being attacked with batons and pepper spray. Any one witnessing last nights police violence is urged to contact the Legal Defence Group on the following email, etc..

UK Indymedia - Fascist meeting disrupted

Please note – seven people were arrested. Therefore, if anyone is charged – which seems likely – it will probably include a charge for this assault.

However, if no assault is ever mentioned again, then I suppose you might be justified in assuming it never took place.

I would say though there is a very strong likelihood this will be mentioned again.

david H

I think its disgusting all you Nazis wondering around the east end. Why don't you go back to Nuremburg where you belong?

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angelman

davidH, you seem to be somewhat intolerant of other people's views. I am not sure whether you live in London or not, but the feeling of frustration amongst WASPs is certainly not limited to the East End. It is London wide if not country wide. You can dismiss the more extreme views if you want, but that is rather foolish. France did it in 2002 when FN and Le Pen got through to the last round in the Presidential elections, and they have had serious problems.

London Orbital

Terrorist would be more suitable.

However the local paper appears to favour the word anarchist as well, it seems.

(Open season on anarchists obviously. For all I know the local anarchists were all at home in their various Hackney squats last Sunday bothering nobody at all.)

East London Advertiser - Anarchists arrested after clash with BNP activists in East End
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London Orbital

Why? Does Nuremburg contain tooled-up Asian gangs who go round attacking white people?

Or extreme left hooligans who try to ban freedom of assembly for peaceful groups of local people who wish to celebrate their national (and cockney) identity?

We 'belong' right where we are.

It is moronic to be called 'Nazi' merely for daring to assume that we have the right to hold a meeting in our own area.

British-Conservatism

He was pulling your leg.

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BonnieDundee

I thought you didn't write it, I tried to imply that.

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BonnieDundee

I was an anarchist. I'm still not that far from it. Anarchism has always been synonymous with violence but with little justification compared to many other ideologies. Russia was prone to political violence and the anarchists were far from the only or most violent ideology within 19the century Russia and in Spain both sides were violent but the anarchists were less violent than either the communists or of course Franco. In fact the anarchist organisations never sanctioned things like attacking churches priests and even arrested some anarchists who did. Those anarchists who took part in those kind of things did so individually not as part of the CNT-FAI.

Anarchism is certainly not usually pacificis but it does tend to want to limited violence.

It depends how you use the term socialism. Anarchism has always been and socialist or communist but it obviously doesn't mean gov't control by this but more communual or mutualist ideas of property coinciding with free association. Some form of distributionist or communual arrangement is necessary for anarchism because the hierarchies and complusion of corporate capitalism really aren't very anarchist. I do however sort of agree that the stormy alliance between anarchists and authoritarian socialists is a problem, although the alliance is often thin or non-existent.

I'm not sure your summing up of socialism is that accurate for serious discussion in relationship to anarchism mate. Alot of anarchists, unlike most marxists, want to organise before the revolution and make that just the general overthrow of the last political vestiges of control rather than a political revolution. I'm not sure socialist in the broad sense, ie not just gov't control of economy but say the socialism/communism of a Kropotkin or Proudhon, can be said to be based on any more, probably less in some ways, complusion that say the libertarian capitalism of a Friedman or Hayek.

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Edward Abbey

Leopold Kohr.

British-Conservatism

The Russian Prince Kropotkin had called for violent action, "propaganda through deeds", at the International Revolutionary Congress in London in 1881. And the first symbolic acts of violence had in fact been committed a few years earlier, with the assassinations of William I of Prussia, the King of Spain and the King of Italy. (There were seven attempts on Queen Victoria’s life during her reign.)

But the 1890s were different. It was the decade of the bomb: dynamite was the new weapon and kings, presidents, ministers and official buildings were the targets. In France, the attacks began in 1892. The French terrorist Ravachol, who was celebrated in folksong and legend, became the living symbol of hatred and resistance, according to historian Barbara Tuchman. Many intellectuals and young people from wealthy families flirted with violence.

That attacks had been launched in several countries at the same time encouraged the idea that a powerful anarchist Black International organisation was at work. Agitation was rife in Russia, and the assassination of Tsar Alexander II in 1881 and other acts of a band of revolutionaries, Narodnaya Volya (the Will of the People), inspired anarchists throughout Europe.

Even the United States did not escape. The president, William McKinley, was assassinated by an anarchist, Leon Czolgosz, in September 1901 during a period of social unrest. The US authorities and public were convinced that the country faced an international threat.

It is difficult to realise over a century later the extent to which the world was haunted by the spectre of international terrorism. Paris lived in fear of further attacks. The ruling classes could not understand the reasons for the hatred and each act of violence increased their fear of revolt from below. Workers were seen as potential criminals and anarchists as mad dogs to be destroyed at all costs. President McKinley’s successor, Theodore Roosevelt, described terrorism as a "crime against the human race" and in some countries armies were put on the alert.

The assassination of President Carnot of France in 1894 prompted governments and police forces to take action. The first proposal for international cooperation came from Italy, which was regarded as the seedbed of international terrorism and was therefore anxious to restore its tarnished reputation. Italians had been implicated in a number of attempts on heads of state and Italian immigrants had a bad name across Europe. Their large communities, regularly swelled by an influx of seasonal workers, were widely resented.

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