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Old 26-09-2008, 05:37 AM   #1 (permalink)
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GAY MODEL SCARRED IN HATE ATTACK


A successful gay model’s rising career was left in tatters after a homophobic attack which left his face permanently scarred.

Student Matthew Marshall was left with a scar on his cheek which resulted in missing overseas assignments, following the attack on a street corner in Whitechapel.

The 22-year-old has appeared in ads for Adidas and photo shoots for Dazed and Confused style magazine based in Shoreditch.

“The scar on my right cheek has a major effect on my self-confidence,” he said in a ‘victim impact’ statement read out to Snaresbrook Crown Court on Tuesday.

“It is affecting me when it comes to modeling castings.”

His university coursework has also suffered as a result of the attack, the court heard.

Youth club volunteer Sheik Miah and his accomplice Abu Uddin, both 20, had been drinking heavily and were thrown out from a restaurant before the attack in February last year.

They approached Andrew and his friend Chris Murdoch in Whitechapel High Street and shouted homophobic abuse, calling them ‘faggots’ and ‘poofs.’

Miah then chased Matthew and punched him in the face.

But Uddin was caught soon after the attack after Andrew toured the area with police officers afterwards and spotting him in the street.

Uddin, from Ashington House in Barnsley Street, Bethnal Green, was sentenced to eight months at an earlier hearing.

But Miah, a qualified youth club football coach from Grindall House in Darling Row, Bethnal Green, fled to Bangladesh after skipping bail before returning to London.

He was given eight months in a young offenders’ institution. He and Uddin had both admitted assault, causing actual bodily harm.




The East End’s gay community has vowed to join together to stamp out homophobic crime after a young man was almost killed when he was stabbed in Shoreditch four weeks ago.

The 20-year-old, known as Olly, was attacked by a gang of youths and stabbed seven times in Boundary Street near the gay-friendly George and the Dragon pub on Hackney Road on Thursday August, 28.

Members of the community have said the majority of homophobic crime in the area is down to one Bangladeshi gang.

Last month’s attack has prompted members of the gay community to speak out against homophobia and put pressure on the police, schools and the council to confront the issue
Posts on gay current affairs website, Pink News, noted a perceived rise in homophobic crime in Shoreditch, particularly on the Boundary Estate.


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The problem for the Left is that they simultaneously promote Gay Rights AND the 'rights' of these homophobic ethnic scum.

Why is nobody taking them apart for this hypocrisy?

I deplore the BNP but if it became more gay-friendly it could do very well as a result.Contrary to received opinion many gays are very racist.

And as for the BNP itself...well if rumours are to be believed...

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Members of the community have said the majority of homophobic crime in the area is down to one Bangladeshi gang.
So what is the problem in identifying this gang and chucking them in prison? And is it fair to take the actions of this single gang (how many members does it have?) and use them to demonise the entire Bangladeshi community of that area, as some might?
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Yes, it is because this ias part of taking territory. In other places Muslims have vigilantes drivibng round and forcing prostitutes and street people out of an area preparotory to taking over that area. Naive people think this is a moral thrust but it is territorial.
The government and local authorities might be om your side Pat but some people want their territory back.
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So what is the problem in identifying this gang and chucking them in prison? And is it fair to take the actions of this single gang (how many members does it have?) and use them to demonise the entire Bangladeshi community of that area, as some might?
Some bigots with a chip on their shoulders will
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Some bigots with a chip on their shoulders will
You would have a chip on your shoulder too if you had been attacked by a Bangladeshi gang just because you were white and had the sheer audacity to go on living in what they consider to be 'their' area.
It would, I admit, show far better manners simply to allow oneself to be ethnically cleansed and not - God forbid - stir up any unnecessary ill-feeling towards Bangladeshis.

However some of us do feel it isn't their area because we were living in it long before even before their parents arrived in this country.

As for demonising all of them, I fail to see why this argument is continually used.

If there is a problem with a significant number of them, one ought to be allowed to mention the fact without having to worry about causing offence to the rest.

In fact if they are upset by the negative publicity, they should try to deal with the problem. The gang members have parents after all.

I think in reality though most of this East End Bangla community is hostile to white people and they tacitly support such attacks even if they do not actively participate in them.
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You would have a chip on your shoulder too if you had been attacked by a Bangladeshi gang just because you were white and had the sheer audacity to go on living in what they consider to be 'their' area.
I would suggest that gang culture should be the concern of all of us and it should be stamped out and it's not just Bengali youths other ethnicities do it as well

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It would, I admit, show far better manners simply to allow oneself to be ethnically cleansed and not - God forbid - stir up any unnecessary ill-feeling towards Bangladeshis.
On the contrary everyone should be allowed to go about their lawful business without fear gangs should be stamped out no matter the race of the members

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However some of us do feel it isn't their area because we were living in it long before even before their parents arrived in this country.
Isn't your area either

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As for demonising all of them, I fail to see why this argument is continually used.
because some people try to make political capital out of it

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If there is a problem with a significant number of them, one ought to be allowed to mention the fact without having to worry about causing offence to the rest.

In fact if they are upset by the negative publicity, they should try to deal with the problem. The gang members have parents after all.
Yes much better if the "community" (I abhor that phrase but it's the only one that fits) takes responsibility

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Given the sh*t that has been dished out to some of them I'm not surprised

The East end was so much nicer when the twins were in charge wasn't it
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I would suggest that gang culture should be the concern of all of us and it should be stamped out and it's not just Bengali youths other ethnicities do it as well

No they don’t – not in that area. What gang culture exists is exclusively Bengali.


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Quite true – however since the gang culture is exclusively Bengali, stamping out Bengalis would have the effect of stamping out the gang culture too.

In the same way, bearing in mind that 50% of London knife crime is carried out by blacks, reducing the number of blacks would also reduce crime.

Quite how you would reduce Bengalis and blacks is another matter – but you would certainly think very hard before letting more of them into the country.

Anyone in their right mind would, anyway.

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Isn't your area either
That isn’t quite the point, is it? I said they attacked people on the basis they regarded it as ‘their’ area.

Not wanting them to feel it is their area and not wanting them to attack people is not quite the same as thinking it is my area.

Anyway it is my area in the sense that I have a right to go about in it without feeling I am going to be attacked.

Before this sort of trash was allowed into the country one could walk around in that area more or less in safety.

Since a great deal of crime is a product of immigration and of allowing a great many blacks into one’s country, limiting immigration would have the effect of reducing crime.

That is, reducing crime without having to trouble the police who do not – these days – seem particularly skilled at catching criminals.

They seem to be far better at catching motorists.


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because some people try to make political capital out of it
Oh dear – how naughty of them.

But perhaps people will actually respond to a message which involves reducing crime instead of merely increasing it by encouraging immigration – as the three major parties all do.

Perhaps it is time we had a change. Anyway I expect whichever party you support makes ‘political capital’ out of certain issues too.

It isn’t a crime, you know.

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Yes much better if the "community" (I abhor that phrase but it's the only one that fits) takes responsibility
I’m very pleased you think so. Not much chance of them doing it though, is there, in our present society which panders to ethnics and infantilises them.

We live in a victim culture in which even extremes of ethnic violence are somehow seen as the fault of white people. As a result, white people are always seen as fair game.


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Given the sh*t that has been dished out to some of them I'm not surprised
They should have stayed in Bangladesh then, shouldn’t they?

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The East end was so much nicer when the twins were in charge wasn't it
Was it? My mother (a publican) used to be frightened of them, even though they were always perfectly civil to her.

Personally I felt the East End was a more civilised place despite the Krays, not necessarily because of them.

Most people tended to behave in a law-abiding way.

Certainly elderly people never got attacked, the way they often are now.
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Of course there are white homophobic gangs too, but I very much doubt that they enjoy the enthusiastic support of vicars, community leaders etc.
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No they don’t – not in that area. What gang culture exists is exclusively Bengali.



And what is the nationality of the people who currently live there ?

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Quite true – however since the gang culture is exclusively Bengali, stamping out Bengalis would have the effect of stamping out the gang culture too.
I was speaking generally for the UK

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In the same way, bearing in mind that 50% of London knife crime is carried out by blacks, reducing the number of blacks would also reduce crime.
What about the other 50 % of knife crime which then becomes 100 % who are you going to eradicate then

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Quite how you would reduce Bengalis and blacks is another matter – but you would certainly think very hard before letting more of them into the country.
I'm sure either you or some of your fellow travellers can think of a way - shower any one

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Anyone in their right mind would, anyway.
right wing mind perhaps

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That isn’t quite the point, is it? I said they attacked people on the basis they regarded it as ‘their’ area.
and I said EVERYONE should be able to go about their lawful business

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Not wanting them to feel it is their area and not wanting them to attack people is not quite the same as thinking it is my area.
Bit feeling that it is their area is what leads to the attacks perhaps that is where the problem lies in that you have turf wars

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Anyway it is my area in the sense that I have a right to go about in it without feeling I am going to be attacked.
and don't they

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Before this sort of trash was allowed into the country one could walk around in that area more or less in safety.
true colours showing perhaps

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Since a great deal of crime is a product of immigration and of allowing a great many blacks into one’s country, limiting immigration would have the effect of reducing crime.
going to throw out the Jews, the Italians, the Maltese and the Heugonots as well then oh and their descendants

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That is, reducing crime without having to trouble
the police who do not – these days – seem particularly skilled at catching criminals.

They seem to be far better at catching motorists.
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Much of this is down to The PC brigade who I find equally offensive and of course government targets and where you aware that reducing car use is an EU imposition



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Oh dear – how naughty of them.
So you are happy to support intolerance and hate then

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But perhaps people will actually respond to a message which involves reducing crime instead of merely increasing it by encouraging immigration – as the three major parties all do.
It is true that the population of the UK is to high to be sustainable and we should have closed our borders a long time ago to all but genuine refugees


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Perhaps it is time we had a change. Anyway I expect whichever party you support makes ‘political capital’ out of certain issues too.

It isn’t a crime, you know.
There is making capital and there is having a sensible debate
BTW have you not heard of the stupidity that is hate crime ?



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I’m very pleased you think so. Not much chance of them doing it though, is there, in our present society which panders to ethnics and infantilises them.
and that is the point equal treatment which certain politicians don't do despite what they say

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We live in a victim culture in which even extremes of ethnic violence are somehow seen as the fault of white people. As a result, white people are always seen as fair game.
Now we are getting somewhere as I said EQUAL treatment the PC brigade and the patronising "great and good" are as guilty as the racist bigots



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They should have stayed in Bangladesh then, shouldn’t they?
But they didn't neither did many others who have come here over time so instead of worrying about that we need to improve the current situation

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Was it? My mother (a publican) used to be frightened of them, even though they were always perfectly civil to her.

Personally I felt the East End was a more civilised place despite the Krays, not necessarily because of them.
Another myth shattered next one will be Robin Hood

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Most people tended to behave in a law-abiding way.
They did but nowadays there is more means motive and opportunity for ALL

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Certainly elderly people never got attacked, the way they often are now.
and it's amazing how victims and perps are generally from the same socio economic group no matter their ethnicity
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