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ryansoton · 12-09-2008, 01:14 AM

Danny · 12-09-2008, 01:24 AM

Good luck with it Ryan.And to all in the liberal party

Dilke · 12-09-2008, 07:16 AM

Very interesting; I see from the forum, Tim Perkins has joined the continuing Liberal Party - literally weeks after he condemned social and economic Liberalism! and was quite well desposed to the progressive social democracy of the Cornish Nationalists.

The Salford Advertiser rather unkindly branded him a ‘political chameleon’; he has been a Labour Party Young Socialist, (allegedly) a Pro-euro Conservative Party European candidate, a Liberal Democrat PPC, an Independent councillor, a Cameron Conservative, and a few months ago was setting up his very own new political party.

Still as a priest in the very tiny Anglican Catholic (Dressing up) Church, the continuing Liberals are the right size for him.

kernow · 12-09-2008, 01:00 PM

"The Liberal Party exists to build a Liberal Society in which every citizen shall possess liberty, property and security and none shall be enslaved by poverty, ignorance or conformity. Its chief care is for the rights and opportunities of the individual, and in all spheres it sets freedom first."

So how does the Liberal Party square all this with their World Governing Authority idea?

ryansoton · 13-09-2008, 12:09 AM

Kernow

If this is policy you wish to debate then either join the forum and start a thread there or even start a thread on this forum, but keep this thread on topic.

Northumbrian · 13-09-2008, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

Good luck with it Ryan.And to all in the liberal party

I don't support the Liberal Party. Should I join the forum with the intent of criticising them on every policy, insulting them, or trying to bring them into disrepute? Should I copy text from their forum and paste it on other forums, again with the aim of discrediting them?

Or should I just accept their differences and leave them alone?

What do think, Danny? What would you do if you were in my position?

BonnieDundee · 14-09-2008, 01:41 AM

The liberals are one of my favourite parties so I decided to join the forum.

Dilke · 19-09-2008, 12:20 AM

Now I see Father Tim Perkins ACC is being described as a defector from the Liberal Democrats on both the unofficial forum and official website; this is disingenuous at best, unless I am very badly informed the last party the Rev. Perkins was a member and candidate for was the Conservatives! So why describe him as a ‘Lib Dem candidate’ (he left two years ago), why not as a Conservative candidate, or former Young Socialist, or former Independent Councillor, or former Pro Euro Conservative MEP candidate, or beter still how about "former Chair of Wolverhampton SDP joins Liberal Party".

This is further evidence if any were needed that the C-Lib’s continue define themselves by what they aren’t (Lib Dems) rather than who they are. Because they don't know who they are, with contridictory policies being pursued in different parts of the country.

Rev. Perkins until recently had a very low opinion of Liberalism viz:

“The philosophy of post war decline, articulated in the 60's,taught in the 70's and promulgated in the 90's is today in evidence on our streets. An unhappy and unscrupulous embrace between economic and social Liberalism, suiting the agendas of cultural Marxist and neo-liberal alike.” Tim Perkins 23 April 08.

And a positive view of 'Dave'."I've been impressed with the new regime of the Conservative Party under David Cameron and I will be watching to see how effective they are," he said... Manchester Evening News

Tom Wilde · 19-09-2008, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dilke

Now I see Father Tim Perkins ACC is being described as a defector from the Liberal Democrats on both the unofficial forum and official website; this is disingenuous at best, unless I am very badly informed the last party the Rev. Perkins was a member and candidate for was the Conservatives! So why describe him as a ‘Lib Dem candidate’ (he left two years ago), why not as a Conservative candidate, or former Young Socialist, or former Independent Councillor, or former Pro Euro Conservative MEP candidate, or beter still how about "former Chair of Wolverhampton SDP joins Liberal Party"s

Hi Dilke

I think you are being disingenous in describing this as disingenuous, as neither site claims that he was a defector from the LibDems! What the note on the official Liberal website (quoted on the unofficial site) actually says is:

Quote:

LibDem candidate joins Liberals

Tim Perkins the former LibDem parliamentary candidate in Bolton has joined the Liberal Party. Originally from Wolverhampton his membership has been welcomed by Colin Hallmark, chairman of Wolverhampton Liberals, who will be introducing him at the Liberal Party Assembly being held in Wolverhampton.

I'm no expert on Tim Perkins' political career, but I see that he was a parliamentary candidate for the LibDems in Bolton twice, in 2001 and 2005:

Perkins, Tim | Aristotle | guardian.co.uk Politics

There have been no general elections since 2005, so if he has since been a Conservative candidate then presumably it was at district, borough or county council level? I think that the webmaster of the Liberal website was quite within his rights to judge Tim Perkins' two runs at parliament as being more 'newsy' than a subsequent attempt to win a council seat. If he had been a Tory parliamentary candidate twice and then stood as a LibDem local council candidate, then you'd still be complaining if the piece was headlined "LibDem candidate joins Liberals", wouldn't you?

Dilke · 21-09-2008, 02:53 PM

Hi Tom,

I understand he was a Conservative parliamentary candidate! and the last party he was in was the Tories. He stood as a Tory in the seat he had held as a Liberal Dem and came third. I don’t think the acknowledgement that your latest recruit was most recently a Tory and previously a Pro Euro Conservative Party (PEC) candidate, would have gone down well with the membership.

Now people do change their views and parties change as well; but the Rev Perkins has changed parties across the political spectrum with unseemly haste. Less than six months ago he was denouncing Liberalism and praising social democracy; your party was founded n 1989 because of an irrational fear that social democracy would compromise Liberalism – should you let him in, this social-democracticus might be contagious!

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12-09-2008, 01:24 AM	#2 (permalink)
Danny Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 793	Good luck with it Ryan.And to all in the liberal party

12-09-2008, 07:16 AM	#3 (permalink)
Dilke Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Westcountry Posts: 56 Party: Other	Very interesting; I see from the forum, Tim Perkins has joined the continuing Liberal Party - literally weeks after he condemned social and economic Liberalism! and was quite well desposed to the progressive social democracy of the Cornish Nationalists. The Salford Advertiser rather unkindly branded him a ‘political chameleon’; he has been a Labour Party Young Socialist, (allegedly) a Pro-euro Conservative Party European candidate, a Liberal Democrat PPC, an Independent councillor, a Cameron Conservative, and a few months ago was setting up his very own new political party. Still as a priest in the very tiny Anglican Catholic (Dressing up) Church, the continuing Liberals are the right size for him.

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kernow Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 5,182	"The Liberal Party exists to build a Liberal Society in which every citizen shall possess liberty, property and security and none shall be enslaved by poverty, ignorance or conformity. Its chief care is for the rights and opportunities of the individual, and in all spheres it sets freedom first." So how does the Liberal Party square all this with their World Governing Authority idea?

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ryansoton Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Southampton Posts: 781 Party: Other	Kernow If this is policy you wish to debate then either join the forum and start a thread there or even start a thread on this forum, but keep this thread on topic.

19-09-2008, 12:20 AM	#8 (permalink)
Dilke Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Westcountry Posts: 56 Party: Other	Now I see Father Tim Perkins ACC is being described as a defector from the Liberal Democrats on both the unofficial forum and official website; this is disingenuous at best, unless I am very badly informed the last party the Rev. Perkins was a member and candidate for was the Conservatives! So why describe him as a ‘Lib Dem candidate’ (he left two years ago), why not as a Conservative candidate, or former Young Socialist, or former Independent Councillor, or former Pro Euro Conservative MEP candidate, or beter still how about "former Chair of Wolverhampton SDP joins Liberal Party". This is further evidence if any were needed that the C-Lib’s continue define themselves by what they aren’t (Lib Dems) rather than who they are. Because they don't know who they are, with contridictory policies being pursued in different parts of the country. Rev. Perkins until recently had a very low opinion of Liberalism viz: “The philosophy of post war decline, articulated in the 60's,taught in the 70's and promulgated in the 90's is today in evidence on our streets. An unhappy and unscrupulous embrace between economic and social Liberalism, suiting the agendas of cultural Marxist and neo-liberal alike.” Tim Perkins 23 April 08. And a positive view of 'Dave'."I've been impressed with the new regime of the Conservative Party under David Cameron and I will be watching to see how effective they are," he said... Manchester Evening News

21-09-2008, 02:53 PM	#10 (permalink)
Dilke Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Westcountry Posts: 56 Party: Other	Hi Tom, I understand he was a Conservative parliamentary candidate! and the last party he was in was the Tories. He stood as a Tory in the seat he had held as a Liberal Dem and came third. I don’t think the acknowledgement that your latest recruit was most recently a Tory and previously a Pro Euro Conservative Party (PEC) candidate, would have gone down well with the membership. Now people do change their views and parties change as well; but the Rev Perkins has changed parties across the political spectrum with unseemly haste. Less than six months ago he was denouncing Liberalism and praising social democracy; your party was founded n 1989 because of an irrational fear that social democracy would compromise Liberalism – should you let him in, this social-democracticus might be contagious!