World Authority?!

a swansong 4 europe · 01-07-2008, 10:58 PM

More like WEIRD Authority. Authority without security (whether yours or someone else) is worthless, it's like a front door without the locks - open to abuse by allcomers.

Tom Wilde · 03-07-2008, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by UkipHM

I think it's about time someone asked this: why does the Liberal Party want a World Authority? Is it really a good idea? Here is the relevant quote from the Liberal Party constitution:

A very good question, and if it was aimed partly at me then I'd like to apologise to both you and Kernow for not attempting to answer it before now.

I think it all depends what you mean by a democratic World Government. The Liberal Party Constitution doesn't make this clear. If the aim was the sort of government which sets taxes and makes detailed laws, then I'd be against it. I'd be against it regardless of how democratically it was constituted, because it would inevitably move the decision-making process further away from the individual citizen. If on the other hand it was a beefed-up, democratized United Nations, with guns, then I'd probably support it. Just imagine...

"Ah, Mugabe, come in. No, don't bother sitting down - this won't take a minute. Just wanted to say - you've lost the Zimbabwe presidential election, so you are out. End of. Oh, by the way, there are some gents from the World Court outside - they want a word with you. Please close the door quietly on your way out."

The Liberals have always been internationalist, believing that international institutions and international law are a better way of settling disputes between nations than the more traditional methods involving guns and young men expiring in agony.

bdf4bnp · 03-07-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Wilde

A very good question, and if it was aimed partly at me then I'd like to apologise to both you and Kernow for not attempting to answer it before now.

I think it all depends what you mean by a democratic World Government. The Liberal Party Constitution doesn't make this clear. If the aim was the sort of government which sets taxes and makes detailed laws, then I'd be against it. I'd be against it regardless of how democratically it was constituted, because it would inevitably move the decision-making process further away from the individual citizen. If on the other hand it was a beefed-up, democratized United Nations, with guns, then I'd probably support it. Just imagine...

"Ah, Mugabe, come in. No, don't bother sitting down - this won't take a minute. Just wanted to say - you've lost the Zimbabwe presidential election, so you are out. End of. Oh, by the way, there are some gents from the World Court outside - they want a word with you. Please close the door quietly on your way out."

The Liberals have always been internationalist, believing that international institutions and international law are a better way of settling disputes between nations than the more traditional methods involving guns and young men expiring in agony.

At least the Liberal Party are honest about their desire for one world dictatorship.

Internationalist · 03-07-2008, 03:35 PM

As Tom Wilde says, it really depends what you mean. I would be totally against any self-styled 'world government' since it would hold a monopoly of power. Competition between states is good.

However, there would be some benefit in having a forum of democratic states to sort out some of the problem regions.

kernow · 23-07-2008, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Unionist

As Tom Wilde says, it really depends what you mean. I would be totally against any self-styled 'world government' since it would hold a monopoly of power. Competition between states is good.

However, there would be some benefit in having a forum of democratic states to sort out some of the problem regions.

I just don't like the idea of too much power in too few hands. Even the most meek and mild human being changes once they have access to power. A lot of Parish councillers when elected think they're God Almighty!

Little Englander (sour) · 23-07-2008, 10:59 AM

" A lot of Parish Coucillors think they are god almighty", what a sweeping statement.
I suppose you have put yourself up for election.
I suppose you go to all the monthly Parish Council meetings, the Planning meetings, the property management meetings, the safer Neighbourhood team meetings, the open spaces meetings, the neighbourhood watch meetings, etc. etc., I suppose you really get stuck in and do wonders for your community, or, do you just throw rocks from a safe distance?
I apologise, in advasnce, in case you do wonderful things in your community.

kernow · 23-07-2008, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Little Englander (sour)

" A lot of Parish Coucillors think they are god almighty", what a sweeping statement.
I suppose you have put yourself up for election.
I suppose you go to all the monthly Parish Council meetings, the Planning meetings, the property management meetings, the safer Neighbourhood team meetings, the open spaces meetings, the neighbourhood watch meetings, etc. etc., I suppose you really get stuck in and do wonders for your community, or, do you just throw rocks from a safe distance?
I apologise, in advasnce, in case you do wonderful things in your community.

Sorry If I upset you 'Councillor'!

Aardvark · 24-07-2008, 10:38 AM

I was a parish/town councillor for 8 years. God Almighty used to sit at the top end of the table to be near to the Mayor and we all knew it - even the clerk.

Little Englander (sour) · 24-07-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kernow

Sorry If I upset you 'Councillor'!

Ex Councillor!
The people that run the "show" in reality are the "officers", the Councillors just weild rubber stamps, the main reason for my resignation.

23-07-2008, 10:59 AM	#16 (permalink)
Little Englander (sour) Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 949 Party: English Democrats	" A lot of Parish Coucillors think they are god almighty", what a sweeping statement. I suppose you have put yourself up for election. I suppose you go to all the monthly Parish Council meetings, the Planning meetings, the property management meetings, the safer Neighbourhood team meetings, the open spaces meetings, the neighbourhood watch meetings, etc. etc., I suppose you really get stuck in and do wonders for your community, or, do you just throw rocks from a safe distance? I apologise, in advasnce, in case you do wonderful things in your community. __________________ Little Englander (bigoted)

24-07-2008, 10:38 AM	#18 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,973	I was a parish/town councillor for 8 years. God Almighty used to sit at the top end of the table to be near to the Mayor and we all knew it - even the clerk. __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

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01-07-2008, 10:58 PM	#11 (permalink)
a swansong 4 europe Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 411	More like WEIRD Authority. Authority without security (whether yours or someone else) is worthless, it's like a front door without the locks - open to abuse by allcomers.

03-07-2008, 03:35 PM	#14 (permalink)
Internationalist Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,086	As Tom Wilde says, it really depends what you mean. I would be totally against any self-styled 'world government' since it would hold a monopoly of power. Competition between states is good. However, there would be some benefit in having a forum of democratic states to sort out some of the problem regions.