ryansoton

Will Gordan Brown survive to the next General election?

kernow

I've just thought , they might keep him in power so as at the next GE they'll hope the voters blame Brown and not the Labour party!
Personally I hope Labour lose the next GE and are out of power for a generation! In my lifetime every Labour government since Attlee have been a disaster, and he wasn't that good, if you leave out the NHS bit!

Wowbanger TIP

the various factional strategists in the Labour Party now have to consider the position post the next election which Labour are inevitably going to lose and lose badly.

Paleo-Labour are now in a position which they must never have dreamed of seeing in the Blair years. The Blairite nu-Labour project is in tatters and will be even more shattered by responsibility for the melt-down the Party is now facing. They are almost the sole funders of Labour through the Unions and the New Labour's Middle England MP's are about to be wiped out to a man. Moreover it appears that the Socialist critique of capitalism as a unstable and flawed system looks very like being a case of QED. They must think destiny is with them, after all they have just nationalized a bank, a feat at which Attlee balked. In short they have an excellent chance of seizing control of Labour in the post election chaos.

Their main task is not to do anything which might allow the moderate wing to blame them for the oncoming catastrophe. So they have to be studiously loyal to Brown and at all costs prevent someone associated with them being maneuvered into the driving seat. Ironically it would be even better for them if Milliband was PM at zero hour, destroying another of Nu Labour's few remaining credible candidates.

The moderate faction face a less clear cut situation. They are in bad trouble and there is no obvious escape. In their desperation they might well make one last throw of the dice and replace Brown. In which case the internal politics of Labour will resemble nothing so much as an Ealing farce with factions desperately trying to keep their candidates out of Number 10 and put their opponents in while simultaneously appearing to do the opposite for the benefit of the public and the dimmer MPs.

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angelman

You might be right. No up and coming wannabe PM (Balls, Miliband etc) will want to take over the party right now and be tarnished for ever. I think that someone like Jack Straw, might be able to do an interim job until the next election.

If things carry on as they are, ie Brown as PM sacking every single dissenting voice, I can see them coming behind the Liberals in the next GE.

kernow

I just hope they're behind UKIP! But as I've not seen a Star in the East, perhaps it's a forlorn hope!

youcanhandlethetruth

Cameron will get in and nothing but nothing will change.

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whypatcondellisntfun

I can't see anybody wanting to be tarnished by being the leader of Labour as it nosedives into election oblivion. How many leaders did the Conservatives get through to finally get someone with a personality in Cameron? Will Labour face the same problems, if so, it there is a long game to be played here?

I think Brown will be PM until the election, and after the anticipated defeat one would reasonably expect him to fall on his sword (though I would not be surprised if he didn't) at which point I might actually start paying attention

Edit: Whoops! Think I voted 'Yes' when I meant 'No'. Doh!

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Chip

Red Ken is alive, and rich, working for one of his cronies. He is waiting for the right moment to save Labour for which reason he has said nothing so far. Watch his space.

g hall

Totally agree

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Stephen Booth

A good posting. I can see them trying to keep away from it lest they be tainted. It seems analogous to the time when the SDP was starting up, the 'Gang of Four' and all that, and how they kept away from the writing of "the longest suicide note in history" Labour Party Manifesto.

I voted that Gordon Brown will be sacked, but it is quite possible that he will still be clinging on come election day.

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