Georgia attack Russia

youcanhandlethetruth · 26-08-2008, 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikel

Today I overheard a conversation between two journalists who were discussing forthcoming developments in Georgia. I don't know for sure where they got that information from, but I heard them speaking about preparations by Georgian opposition for a coup. The primary organizer of the coup is Burdzanadze who is going to act under auspices of the USA with the use of the same type of PR technologies that helped Saakashvili rise to power in due time. That is that Saakashvili will be deposed by force of Georgian nation.
What surprised me in this respect most of all, is that Burdzanadze would use three cold storage trucks full of dead bodies of Georgian soldiers to persuade people into overthrowing the bloody regime of Saakashvili as it is his fault that so many Georgian soldiers did not return from South Ossetia. Such as there were, it is blasphemy to use dead bodies like that! It's hard to believe that anyone would want to use them to procure political capital through them. I'm sure that was an idea of American PR experts, not Burdzanadze. This being so, the whole story much resembles me the Gleiwitz incident of 1939. If you want to know more of it, look into the Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident

I don't see how you can compare a supposed "false flag" like Gleiwitz with overthrowing Sakaashvilli who has clearly inflicted death through an unprovoked attack.

Maybe your story is true, but it could just be a load of made up bull to attempt to compare Gleiwitz with the removal of Sakashvilli.

For that reason I don't buy it (not yet anyway)

Tony Bennett · 26-08-2008, 12:34 PM

Sarkozy: If only the Lisbon Treaty were in force...

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

euobserver.com

Lisbon treaty would have helped in Georgia crisis, says France

HONOR MAHONY
18.08.2008 @ 09:19 CET

French president Nicolas Sarkozy has used the ongoing crisis between Russia and Georgia to put the case for the EU's new treaty, currently facing ratification difficulties.
In an opinion piece in Monday's edition of French daily Le Figaro, Mr Sarkozy, who currently holds the EU's six month presidency, wrote that the Lisbon Treaty would have given the bloc the tools it needed to handle the Moscow-Tbilisi war.

President Sarkozy's words of support for the Lisbon Treaty come amid doubt that it will ever come into force

"It is notable that had the Lisbon Treaty, which is in the process of being ratified, already been in force, the European Union would have had the institutions it needs to cope with international crises."
He named the most important innovations as being the "stable" European Council President - instead of the current half-yearly system - " a High Representative endowed with a real European diplomatic service and considerable financial means in order to put decisions into force in coordination with member states. "

The short pitch for the Lisbon Treaty also revealed a little how the French president views the role of the EU's first longterm president of the EU - a post that can be held for up to five years.

The treaty itself is ambiguous about the president's exact role with the potential for conflict rife with member states and EU officials divided about whether the position should be ceremonial or have real teeth.

Entwined in this question is how much the president should represent the EU in external policy, a policy area that is foreseen for the EU's foreign policy chief.

In the Figaro article, Mr Sarkory suggests that the president's position in such crises as the Russia-Georgia one would be one of "acting in close consultation with the heads of state and government most affected."

This would very much put the President in the foreign policy field. It would also foresee a formal hierarchy among member states as it would give priority to those considered most affected.

This kind of scenario has been predicted by some smaller member states who fear that the president would have an all-powerful role, reducing the say of certain governments, although the working principle of the bloc is that member states are equal.

But Mr Sarkozy's words of support for the Lisbon Treaty come amid doubt that it will ever come into force. Although ratified by the vast majority of national parliaments, it was rejected by Irish voters in a referendum in June.

All member states need to ratify the document for it to go into place.

At the moment, Dublin is considering its options. It could either put the treaty to another referendum or try and figure out a legal contortion allowing it to use parliamentary ratification only. But the January 2009 deadline by which governments had hoped to have the treaty in place is certain to be missed.

ENDS

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youcanhandlethetruth · 27-08-2008, 02:09 AM

It's amazing Sarkosy and Merkel actually stopped Georgia being part of NATO - thank god for that at least.

Anyway what does Sarkosy mean by "given the bloc the tools it needed to handle the Moscow-Tbilisi war." ?

I notice how they say "Moscow-Tbilisi war" but

a) there is no war between Moscow and Tbilisi (they wish)
b) not "Tbilisi-Moscow" or "South Ossetia conflict"

Such puppet scumbags.........

youcanhandlethetruth · 27-08-2008, 05:58 PM

YouTube - Alex Jones on Russia Today TV

Mikeuk · 27-08-2008, 06:39 PM

Lol!!! Time to bring the Georgian gangster scum to heel!

Georgia is Russian. Period.

Mikeuk · 27-08-2008, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by youcanhandlethetruth

It's amazing Sarkosy and Merkel actually stopped Georgia being part of NATO - thank god for that at least.

Looks like they did something right...for once.

youcanhandlethetruth · 27-08-2008, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikeuk

Looks like they did something right...for once.

Yes - probably unintentionally

youcanhandlethetruth · 03-09-2008, 07:20 PM

Sept 3:

RIA Novosti - World - Georgia mobilizes commando units near S.Ossetia - Russian military

In Rebuff to Russia, IMF Is Set to Lend Georgia $750 Million - WSJ.com

"But now that the shooting has ended, Western nations are mobilizing to thwart a key Russian war aim: regime change in Tbilisi. "

Whilst Russia are probably not in favour of Mr Sakaashvilli, the Goergian people are right behind their U.S puppet leader who brought the confrontation onto their shoulders aren't they ?

"Seeking to rally Western support, the government has put up huge banners across Tbilisi denouncing Russia. Written in English -- a language most here don't understand -- they plead: "Stop Russia." "

Propaganda gone wrong

"Vice President Dick Cheney will travel to Georgia this week in a trip that could help lay the groundwork for a stiffer Western response to the Russian incursion. Mr. Cheney, who will also visit Ukraine and Azerbaijan, is expected to stress the depth of U.S. interests in Georgia."

Exactly......

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26-08-2008, 12:34 PM	#74 (permalink)
Tony Bennett Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,009	Lisbon treaty would have helped in Georgia crisis, says France Sarkozy: If only the Lisbon Treaty were in force... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ euobserver.com Lisbon treaty would have helped in Georgia crisis, says France HONOR MAHONY 18.08.2008 @ 09:19 CET French president Nicolas Sarkozy has used the ongoing crisis between Russia and Georgia to put the case for the EU's new treaty, currently facing ratification difficulties. In an opinion piece in Monday's edition of French daily Le Figaro, Mr Sarkozy, who currently holds the EU's six month presidency, wrote that the Lisbon Treaty would have given the bloc the tools it needed to handle the Moscow-Tbilisi war. President Sarkozy's words of support for the Lisbon Treaty come amid doubt that it will ever come into force "It is notable that had the Lisbon Treaty, which is in the process of being ratified, already been in force, the European Union would have had the institutions it needs to cope with international crises." He named the most important innovations as being the "stable" European Council President - instead of the current half-yearly system - " a High Representative endowed with a real European diplomatic service and considerable financial means in order to put decisions into force in coordination with member states. " The short pitch for the Lisbon Treaty also revealed a little how the French president views the role of the EU's first longterm president of the EU - a post that can be held for up to five years. The treaty itself is ambiguous about the president's exact role with the potential for conflict rife with member states and EU officials divided about whether the position should be ceremonial or have real teeth. Entwined in this question is how much the president should represent the EU in external policy, a policy area that is foreseen for the EU's foreign policy chief. In the Figaro article, Mr Sarkory suggests that the president's position in such crises as the Russia-Georgia one would be one of "acting in close consultation with the heads of state and government most affected." This would very much put the President in the foreign policy field. It would also foresee a formal hierarchy among member states as it would give priority to those considered most affected. This kind of scenario has been predicted by some smaller member states who fear that the president would have an all-powerful role, reducing the say of certain governments, although the working principle of the bloc is that member states are equal. But Mr Sarkozy's words of support for the Lisbon Treaty come amid doubt that it will ever come into force. Although ratified by the vast majority of national parliaments, it was rejected by Irish voters in a referendum in June. All member states need to ratify the document for it to go into place. At the moment, Dublin is considering its options. It could either put the treaty to another referendum or try and figure out a legal contortion allowing it to use parliamentary ratification only. But the January 2009 deadline by which governments had hoped to have the treaty in place is certain to be missed. ENDS --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

27-08-2008, 02:09 AM	#75 (permalink)
youcanhandlethetruth Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,378	It's amazing Sarkosy and Merkel actually stopped Georgia being part of NATO - thank god for that at least. Anyway what does Sarkosy mean by "given the bloc the tools it needed to handle the Moscow-Tbilisi war." ? I notice how they say "Moscow-Tbilisi war" but a) there is no war between Moscow and Tbilisi (they wish) b) not "Tbilisi-Moscow" or "South Ossetia conflict" Such puppet scumbags......... __________________ Before tyranny and television, "conspiracy theorists" never existed. cointelpro/halfwits: Akria,Clippo,Besoeker,Bear,Eurosceptic Antlantacist,MikeUK

27-08-2008, 06:39 PM	#77 (permalink)
Mikeuk Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Fareham Posts: 5,737 Party: Conservatives	Lol!!! Time to bring the Georgian gangster scum to heel! Georgia is Russian. Period. __________________ 'We will not build a peaceful world by following a negative path. It is not enough to say "We must not wage war." It is necessary to love peace and sacrifice for it. We must concentrate not merely on the negative expulsion of war, but on the positive affirmation of peace.' Martin Luther King Jr 1964

03-09-2008, 07:20 PM	#80 (permalink)
youcanhandlethetruth Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,378	Sept 3: RIA Novosti - World - Georgia mobilizes commando units near S.Ossetia - Russian military In Rebuff to Russia, IMF Is Set to Lend Georgia $750 Million - WSJ.com "But now that the shooting has ended, Western nations are mobilizing to thwart a key Russian war aim: regime change in Tbilisi. " Whilst Russia are probably not in favour of Mr Sakaashvilli, the Goergian people are right behind their U.S puppet leader who brought the confrontation onto their shoulders aren't they ? "Seeking to rally Western support, the government has put up huge banners across Tbilisi denouncing Russia. Written in English -- a language most here don't understand -- they plead: "Stop Russia." " Propaganda gone wrong "Vice President Dick Cheney will travel to Georgia this week in a trip that could help lay the groundwork for a stiffer Western response to the Russian incursion. Mr. Cheney, who will also visit Ukraine and Azerbaijan, is expected to stress the depth of U.S. interests in Georgia." Exactly...... __________________ Before tyranny and television, "conspiracy theorists" never existed. cointelpro/halfwits: Akria,Clippo,Besoeker,Bear,Eurosceptic Antlantacist,MikeUK

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