Thread: Intergration and celebrating diversity

It gets on my tits when I have one set of people telling me we should be a strong traditional mono-cultured country and another bunch telling me we should be a vibrant multi-cultured one.

We should be what ever WE as individuals want to be, within a free framework that simply protects us from actually hurting each other. When I mean hurt, I mean hurt too, not simply offend or annoy.

I think people should be able to discriminate as much as they want with their businesses, or not if that's their wish. For me, any business should want the best talent and to be able fish from the largest possible customer pool. If some racist wants to run a whites only pub, then that should be his choice. People who don't like that, can avoid.

Now I will get to the controvertial part of this post.

Currently we are told we must embrace other cultures, celebrate them and support them. Well what about our culture? How much celebrating of OUR culture and traditions do other cultures that have landed here do.

Well I am going to give you some observations.

Pubs.

90% of the pubs I have been in seem to be very white British to me. Much more than the make up of the area I may be in. Even in London I notice this and the only place I have every been where there was a slight shift, was Wembley and that seemed to be more of a food thing causing that.

Concerts.

Glastonbury. Go have a look at the BBC iplayer stuff for this musical festival. Notice anything missing? Yep, I didn't see many non-white people at all.

Prodigy. I didn't see a single non-white person there, even though one of the singers is black.

Take That. 80 000 people there last night, yet as I looked out, I couldn't see any non-white people. I am sure there must have been a few, but I didn't see them.


So why do the powers that be try to force this idea that we should all "celebrate" each others cultures. Why can't we all just choose the culture that fits our own personality best and run with that? Of course, some cultures have a dominating element to them. They want to force people into following them = fascism. How about we address that issue and make sure that doesn't happen here and then let people do their own thing.

The whole concept of celebrating cultures is a joke.

Originally Posted by Draconian Monarch

At school I was encouraged to celebrate Diwali, Eid and various other celebrations and I openly refused to do so under the fact my religion is not Hindu/Sikh or Islam. I won't attend the Notting Hill Carnival because I am not black and do not relate to Afro-Caribbean culture.

To me eating a curry, wearing traditional clothing and setting off firework, after firework doesn't equate to me as embracing another culture. It is taking the best bits of that culture and diluting them into a concept known as multi-culturalism.

Also, I don't know what English culture is, I have never been taught about English culture. Surely, it has to be more than eating a plate of fish and chips, drinking beer in an English beer garden, supporting the football team a few times a year and waving a flag around?

Englishness isn't something with which you label yourself, it's not English so to do.
Other people will tell what they see in you as being English.
You don't have to define Englishness it's a feeling, you have it or you have it not.
Whether or not you are English - is another matter.
Is Scottishness wearing a kilt with nae underpants?

Multi cultralism becomes multi ghettoism a bad idea indeed, they should never have let these unwashed rable of johnny foriegners in.

Originally Posted by mkpdavies

It gets on my tits when I have one set of people telling me we should be a strong traditional mono-cultured country and another bunch telling me we should be a vibrant multi-cultured one.

We should be what ever WE as individuals want to be, within a free framework that simply protects us from actually hurting each other. When I mean hurt, I mean hurt too, not simply offend or annoy.

I think people should be able to discriminate as much as they want with their businesses, or not if that's their wish. For me, any business should want the best talent and to be able fish from the largest possible customer pool. If some racist wants to run a whites only pub, then that should be his choice. People who don't like that, can avoid.

Now I will get to the controvertial part of this post.

Currently we are told we must embrace other cultures, celebrate them and support them. Well what about our culture? How much celebrating of OUR culture and traditions do other cultures that have landed here do.

Well I am going to give you some observations.

Pubs.

90% of the pubs I have been in seem to be very white British to me. Much more than the make up of the area I may be in. Even in London I notice this and the only place I have every been where there was a slight shift, was Wembley and that seemed to be more of a food thing causing that.

Concerts.

Glastonbury. Go have a look at the BBC iplayer stuff for this musical festival. Notice anything missing? Yep, I didn't see many non-white people at all.

Prodigy. I didn't see a single non-white person there, even though one of the singers is black.

Take That. 80 000 people there last night, yet as I looked out, I couldn't see any non-white people. I am sure there must have been a few, but I didn't see them.


So why do the powers that be try to force this idea that we should all "celebrate" each others cultures. Why can't we all just choose the culture that fits our own personality best and run with that? Of course, some cultures have a dominating element to them. They want to force people into following them = fascism. How about we address that issue and make sure that doesn't happen here and then let people do their own thing.

The whole concept of celebrating cultures is a joke.

True. But we wouldn't have this problem if our politicians hadn't invited it in, been too scared to do anything when it looked like it was going to cause problems and then went about setting up the nation to evolve around this whole sorry bloody mess.

I am absolutely pro integration and welcome the emergence of what I choose to call “homo-nescafe”, but I am utterly opposed to multiculturalism.

Seems a contradiction? It’s not and here’s why.

It’s down to the (ab)use of the word culture. In the context in which it is used in the term “multi-culture” it is the WRONG word, the correct word should be “nationality”.

The moment that the term “multi-nationality” is used the insanity of it as a concept jumps out.

The idea of a multitude of nations on the same bit of land is simply crazy. It can’t exist as a stable entity and will end up with one nationality becoming the dominant one, and then the only one as others are forced to become nationalised into it.

This is especially so when one nationality is a rabid proselytising nation that is as convinced that its members are absolutely right and that all others are not only wrong but also to be despised and exploited as is the case in growing areas of Britain today

Multi ethnic, now that’s a different kettle of fish.

Good societies can and certainly do exist with a multi ethnic population. Consider Britain, a mongrel race if EVER there was, and continuing to be so as people from wider ethnic backgrounds shape the new Britain.

This will be great, just so long as the insane ideology garbage of a bunch of over aged under grads can be binned at the earliest possibility and support for multiculturalism is not only dropped right now, but many of the things that have grown like mould under its protection are rolled back.