Should Wrexham become part of England?

Andrew Constantine · 27-09-2008, 06:21 PM

Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 13:10 pm

Should Wrexham become part of England? JOIN THE DEBATE - Evening Leader

Should Wrexham become part of England? JOIN THE DEBATE

Published Date: 26 September 2008

A letter to the Evening Leader on how North Wales is treated by the Welsh Assembly has prompted a debate on whether Wrexham would by better off as part of England. An incredible suggestion perhaps, but what do you think?

The Evening Leader has received an email from an online reader who has suggested the differences between north and south Wales have become so great that the boundary should be changed making Wrexham part of England.

In the letter Wrexham resident, Mr T Roberts, wrote: "I think it is time we had a boundary change and we should become part of NW England.

"The Welsh Assembly appear to promote and develop only South Wales both in terms of money and news.

"North Wales hardly has a mention on Welsh television news bulletins.

"How many North Wales AMs have official positions in the Assembly? The proposed rail link from South to North just reiterates that Wrexham is not part of Wales.

"Wrexham with a population of 130,000 should pay our 'taxes and rates' to England and perhaps we would get the recognition we deserve."

Wrexham's Assembly Member Leslie Griffiths wholeheartedly disagreed with Mr Roberts' suggestion.

She said: "This is quite frankly a preposterous suggestion. By any measure you wish to choose - whether it be social, geographic, administrative, historical or linguistic - Wrexham is Welsh.

"It has always been in Wales and will always be in Wales.

"Wales is now a country of drive and ambition and Wrexham is playing a crucial part in creating this new found confidence in our country and in our identity. Why on earth would anyone want to sacrifice that?"

However, some members of the public the Evening Leader spoke to agreed with Mr Roberts' proposal for a boundary change.

Arthur Roberts, 82, from Trevor said: "It doesn't matter what happens it's always South Wales that gets it, never the North. I don't believe in the Assembly anyway.

"It's just 'money for the boys.' What do they do for us?

"We managed all those years being governed from Westminster why can't we manage now?

"I think the whole of the UK should be one, no Welsh Assembly or Scottish Parliament."

Steve Evans, 25, from Wrexham, said: "I've been to South Wales recently and there is definitely a lot more money spent down there. You can see it in the sports facilities, the Millenium Stadium, the architecture.

"I do feel Wrexham misses out on these on these things and I think we should be part of England. Look at Chester. It's only a few miles away but seems to be doing a lot better."

So what do you think - would Wrexham benefit from becoming part of England?

Have your say by leaving a comment below and taking part in our online poll at the side of this page.

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Northumbrian · 27-09-2008, 07:37 PM

Notice they don't give an argument on how Wrexham would benefit
England?

wonkotsane · 27-09-2008, 10:05 PM

As a Shrewsbury Town fan, I have to say no, leave Wrexscum in Wales!

European Citizen · 28-09-2008, 01:42 AM

Wales is already in the Kingdom of England.

Danny · 28-09-2008, 02:23 AM

In relation to the thread topic for debate.Yet another daft thread started by Constantine.You really do show yourself up Constantine this simply isnt a pressing matter the good people of England are more concerned with the credit crunch etc there jobs pensions etc.Not this daft thread you are simply out of touch Constantine(FEP) with the everyday needs and concerns which really matter to the good people of England its ever wonder you lot in FEP havnt a cat in hells chance of getting anywhere nor will ever be taken seriously by the people of England.what a pathatic bunch(FEP) you lot are.

Ea of Dune · 28-09-2008, 03:35 AM

Danny> If you had bothered to read the article, you may have noticed that the question started in Wales in a newspaper not by the FEP. If you didn't spend all your time in the FEP section you may have noticed that people post all sorts of articles on this forum related to British politics.
Since this article and the debate on said site are related to England and English and Welsh politics I don't think there is anything wrong with the subject being discussed here.
Unless of course you wish to dictate what can and cannot be discussed in this forum, and that only the economy is relevant?
I might also add, you may want to take up your complaint with the newspaper since you see it as a pointless article.
I expect you now to comment on every thread reproduced on this forum that is linked to a newspaper article which you consider "daft "? No I thought not....

What about the debates over Berwick, and the recent "artistic" Scotland sign placed in Cumbria, I suggest you contact those involved and vent your dismay!

Ea of dune

BonnieDundee · 28-09-2008, 03:50 AM

Isn't North Wales the most "culturally" Welsh part of Wales? What would they gain then from becoming part of England?

wonkotsane · 28-09-2008, 08:46 AM

BonnieDundee, Wrexham is probably one of the most English parts of Wales!

European Citizen, interesting that you should say Wales is part of the Kingdom of England. Wales was, of course, annexed by England. Where was the Act of Parliament removing Wales from England?

cassie · 28-09-2008, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by European Citizen

Wales is already in the Kingdom of England.

You are sooo right, and it has been for over 500 years!

You'll have noted how the BRITISH BC has not taken up this little story, but has the one about 'Welcome to Scotland' roadsigns in Cumbria! Another indication of Beeb bias!!

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Jeff · 28-09-2008, 10:11 AM

Is there a link on those roadsigns anywhere?
Thanks.

27-09-2008, 06:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
Andrew Constantine Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 951 Party: Free England Party	Should Wrexham become part of England? Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 13:10 pm Should Wrexham become part of England? JOIN THE DEBATE - Evening Leader Should Wrexham become part of England? JOIN THE DEBATE Published Date: 26 September 2008 A letter to the Evening Leader on how North Wales is treated by the Welsh Assembly has prompted a debate on whether Wrexham would by better off as part of England. An incredible suggestion perhaps, but what do you think? The Evening Leader has received an email from an online reader who has suggested the differences between north and south Wales have become so great that the boundary should be changed making Wrexham part of England. In the letter Wrexham resident, Mr T Roberts, wrote: "I think it is time we had a boundary change and we should become part of NW England. "The Welsh Assembly appear to promote and develop only South Wales both in terms of money and news. "North Wales hardly has a mention on Welsh television news bulletins. "How many North Wales AMs have official positions in the Assembly? The proposed rail link from South to North just reiterates that Wrexham is not part of Wales. "Wrexham with a population of 130,000 should pay our 'taxes and rates' to England and perhaps we would get the recognition we deserve." Wrexham's Assembly Member Leslie Griffiths wholeheartedly disagreed with Mr Roberts' suggestion. She said: "This is quite frankly a preposterous suggestion. By any measure you wish to choose - whether it be social, geographic, administrative, historical or linguistic - Wrexham is Welsh. "It has always been in Wales and will always be in Wales. "Wales is now a country of drive and ambition and Wrexham is playing a crucial part in creating this new found confidence in our country and in our identity. Why on earth would anyone want to sacrifice that?" However, some members of the public the Evening Leader spoke to agreed with Mr Roberts' proposal for a boundary change. Arthur Roberts, 82, from Trevor said: "It doesn't matter what happens it's always South Wales that gets it, never the North. I don't believe in the Assembly anyway. "It's just 'money for the boys.' What do they do for us? "We managed all those years being governed from Westminster why can't we manage now? "I think the whole of the UK should be one, no Welsh Assembly or Scottish Parliament." Steve Evans, 25, from Wrexham, said: "I've been to South Wales recently and there is definitely a lot more money spent down there. You can see it in the sports facilities, the Millenium Stadium, the architecture. "I do feel Wrexham misses out on these on these things and I think we should be part of England. Look at Chester. It's only a few miles away but seems to be doing a lot better." So what do you think - would Wrexham benefit from becoming part of England? Have your say by leaving a comment below and taking part in our online poll at the side of this page. The full article contains 480 words and appears in n/a newspaper.Page 1 of 1 __________________ Andrew Constantine says: The EU is a French-German racket and is incompatible with democracy. An independent England will quit the EU forthwith. Free England Party - Independence for England http://www.freeengland.com Signatory to The English Claim of Right http://englishclaimofright.com

27-09-2008, 10:05 PM	#3 (permalink)
wonkotsane Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Telford, ENGLAND Posts: 76 Party: UKIP	As a Shrewsbury Town fan, I have to say no, leave Wrexscum in Wales! __________________ English First, British Second Wonko's World Bloggers 4 UKIP

28-09-2008, 02:23 AM	#5 (permalink)
Danny Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 776	In relation to the thread topic for debate.Yet another daft thread started by Constantine.You really do show yourself up Constantine this simply isnt a pressing matter the good people of England are more concerned with the credit crunch etc there jobs pensions etc.Not this daft thread you are simply out of touch Constantine(FEP) with the everyday needs and concerns which really matter to the good people of England its ever wonder you lot in FEP havnt a cat in hells chance of getting anywhere nor will ever be taken seriously by the people of England.what a pathatic bunch(FEP) you lot are. Last edited by Danny; 28-09-2008 at 02:24 AM. Reason: correction

28-09-2008, 03:50 AM	#7 (permalink)
BonnieDundee Uber Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Between Mallaig and Cornwall. Posts: 2,809	Isn't North Wales the most "culturally" Welsh part of Wales? What would they gain then from becoming part of England? __________________ "It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state." -Bruce Schneier How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and pss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.* Edward Abbey Leopold Kohr.

28-09-2008, 08:46 AM	#8 (permalink)
wonkotsane Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Telford, ENGLAND Posts: 76 Party: UKIP	BonnieDundee, Wrexham is probably one of the most English parts of Wales! European Citizen, interesting that you should say Wales is part of the Kingdom of England. Wales was, of course, annexed by England. Where was the Act of Parliament removing Wales from England? __________________ English First, British Second Wonko's World Bloggers 4 UKIP

27-09-2008, 07:37 PM	#2 (permalink)
Northumbrian Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne, England Posts: 1,409 Party: Free England Party	Notice they don't give an argument on how Wrexham would benefit England?

28-09-2008, 01:42 AM	#4 (permalink)
European Citizen Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The European Union Posts: 466 Party: Conservatives	Wales is already in the Kingdom of England.

28-09-2008, 03:35 AM	#6 (permalink)
Ea of Dune Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hell Posts: 1,049	Danny> If you had bothered to read the article, you may have noticed that the question started in Wales in a newspaper not by the FEP. If you didn't spend all your time in the FEP section you may have noticed that people post all sorts of articles on this forum related to British politics. Since this article and the debate on said site are related to England and English and Welsh politics I don't think there is anything wrong with the subject being discussed here. Unless of course you wish to dictate what can and cannot be discussed in this forum, and that only the economy is relevant? I might also add, you may want to take up your complaint with the newspaper since you see it as a pointless article. I expect you now to comment on every thread reproduced on this forum that is linked to a newspaper article which you consider "daft "? No I thought not.... What about the debates over Berwick, and the recent "artistic" Scotland sign placed in Cumbria, I suggest you contact those involved and vent your dismay! Ea of dune

28-09-2008, 10:11 AM	#10 (permalink)
Jeff Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 371 Party: Free England Party	Is there a link on those roadsigns anywhere? Thanks. __________________ We are all English if we wish to be.

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