Besoeker

YW. Though it doesn't give much information about SG, that in itself is somewhat interesting.

g hall

If you have a problem make a complaint meantime think about yourself as you are exhibiting your prejudices again - it's ok when Clippo is rude both to me and others but when I suggest that some of his comments are stupid you immediately leap to his defence

some examples for you to help you clarify your thinking
http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/envi...tml#post527178
I wonder what is under the ****

http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/envi...tml#post525451

Nice easy one for you Bessie

http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/envi...tml#post525999

http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/envi...tml#post526672

That enough for you

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g hall

Some answers for you Clippo

This link will help you
Does it need to be "listed in respected academic journals" for you to read it and look at what it says if so that does explain rather a lot about your research

Read all about The Register

I suspect he is someone who contributes to the site
Now I expect that he does not have qualifications that you believe to be essential to be able to debate your beliefs however if he has researched as to why different organisations use different data sets to publish research in your peer reviewed respected academic journals then I believe he has the right to question the variance, now you may not agree but I suggest that you have a view that you will not change even if Al Gore admitted he lied

Well as gc wrote
I can see you and he are of the same blinkered mindset

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Clippo

g hall wrote:-
'chap'

gc

I resent that remark.

I remember some years back when the big issue in environmental policy circles was the question of so-called "epistemic communities" of scientists. There was concern about the possibility of scientists over-emphasising the problems associated with climate change in order to further their own agenda (and their own careers). I think the debate has settled down now, but what we do have, and there is a lot of it on this forum, is mindless contrarianism that merely confuses the situation without contributing anything useful whatsoever. I suspect some folk may be driven by a simple fear of change, which is a bit sad. But values do change...

I am very excited by the concept of post-materialist politics. I think most people are coming around to that way of thinking, which is actually the prime reason for green issues being so important today. Interestingly, conservatives appear somewhat resentful of this change in social and economic values. Discussing this shift recently with a prominent conservative writer and academic, I was told "I hope you are wrong!"

I don't think I am wrong...

Hamburg University have everything that matters in post-materialist thinking on this website.

A Refined Inglehart Index Of Materialism And Postmaterialism

g hall

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g hall

gc
Why do you resent a remark which on available evidence is true, you yourself say "On this subject I would always go straight to the academic source. I have very little interest in the interpretations of pathological contrarians."

My comment is that neither of you are willing to accept a view other then the similar view you have about climate change

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Besoeker

Personal abuse from anyone should not be tolerated.

Clippo

Besoeker wrote:-
I accept this.

I have tried to moderate my responses, especially since mpkd left, but I consider g hall (& rjt for example) have continued to personally abuse me. The argument 'you started it' is sterile and deflects from the truth of the debate so I will not continue it.

So, from now one I am going to try very hard to respond only to technicalities.

( I can't post any more this evening but I do have more to say on this thread).

g hall

Nor should sanctimonious hypocrisy and deliberate misunderstanding of posts

Why did you call me out but say nothing before ?

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