brian pearson

People should have as many children as they want. Just don't ask me to pay for them.

youcanhandlethetruth

This is where the issue of the welfare state comes into play.

I think people (not saying you brian) confuse "over population" with the issue of welfare.

I suppose one could say that everything the government does and spends money on is something we shouldn't have to necessarily pay for.

Personally as a tax payer I don't like having the government spending a fortune sending troops to fight unjustifyable wars.

I also don't like my tax money being sent to the EU gravy train in Brussels.

We can all think of things we don't want to spend our tax money on(and single mothers may be one of them), but in reality shouldn't the question be, which of these things are good for society as a whole and which are not ?

Personally I think there's more than enough money that could be taken out of the unjustifyable things to spend on other more productive things. (like the NHS for example) but people always seem to focus on the odd illegitimate welfare claimant than look at the figures and assess how much money we're wasting as a nation on some of the other things I've mentioned.

If people want to take a moral stance, start with the big fat ones first I say and blame the politicians who are primarily repsonsible for the mismanagement of funds in these areas.

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Akria

It sounds like it's simply a criticism of a hypothetical scenario. A good criticism, too; the problems of population control, in my opinion, far outweigh the benefits.

And simply mentioning the government doesn't mean much - Alex Jones could just as easily have been inserted, and it would have been equally groundless and meaningless.

Well, politicians themselves in fact, as it would have to get through the two houses - individual MPs can in theory vote any way they want, although I appreciate this doesn't work so well in reality.

In any case, simply because something is recommended it doesn't necessitate implementation.
As the eternal parental question goes, 'if your friend told you to jump off a bridge would you do it?'.

It doesn't seem to be staring us in the face at all, at least not in my view.

As for the government's 'green' agenda, I find it very lacking as an argument - given that nuclear power is really all that is needed to make us green, I don't think the government would risk the economic, political and social suicide that would be a British one child policy when the alternative is so clear.

Certainly the possible future Vice-President of the USA would not be happy with it - Clinton has labelled China's one child policy as a fundamental injustice.
The USA itself under Bush has also pulled funding from the United Nations Population Fund because it has not hit out against the policy.

We live in a democracy; later governments would have the opportunity to change it, even assuming it managed by some cruel twist of Fate to get passed in the first place.

It has everything to do with it only if it is entered into Parliament.

It has the distinct tone of a soundbite.
Please explain how it would be in the national interests of the USA to cripple one of its key allies, anyway.

It was Besoeker, not Clippo.
As for smelling the coffee, I prefer tea - and even tea leaves (a joke; I've never believed in the psychic rubbish that is peddled about) don't show any sign of a one child policy for the UK.

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youcanhandlethetruth

Well believe what you want to beleive Akria - it will happen sooner or later for sure.

Rather than go and research into the elite and the New World Order, like eveyone else you've dismissed it as unbelievable under the premise of "in my opinion", "not in my view", "I don't think the government would risk" etc etc.

Not trying to be mean to you - just pointing out that the need to feel right often is often more important than the truth of what is really happening, but I'm not bashing you - you know no better and I can't blame you for that.

"We live in a democracy; later governments would have the opportunity to change it, even assuming it managed by some cruel twist of Fate to get passed in the first place."

Democracy ? Ha ha ha sure we do.
When it gets passed, the other main political parties will never change it because they're batting for the same team too - hence they all have the same green policy.
No it won't reverse, it will simply escalate into hell on earth.

"As for the government's 'green' agenda, I find it very lacking as an argument - given that nuclear power is really all that is needed to make us green, I don't think the government would risk the economic, political and social suicide that would be a British one child policy when the alternative is so clear."

Well time will tell but it'll be too late by then....

"Certainly the possible future Vice-President of the USA would not be happy with it - Clinton has labelled China's one child policy as a fundamental injustice."

Well I didn't see that so can't comment but look at this article Constitution Butchered in Winter of 04

and read the section:
"Mental Health and World Citizenship"

Note it says:

"When Hillary Clinton became First Lady of the U.S. in 1993, she was in charge of a health care task force, about half the members of whom were connected with the Robert Wood Johnson (RWJ) Foundation. On the NBC "Today Show" (January 23, 1990), Dr. Michael Lewis of the New Jersey Robert Wood Johnson Medical School had claimed: "Lying is an important part of social life, and children who are unable to do it are children who may have developmental problems."

And also.....

"Relevant to this, Clinton administration official Mary Jo Bane said almost 30 years ago that "in order to raise children with equality, we must take them away from families and communally raise them." (TULSA SUNDAY WORLD, August 21, 1977) And about that same time, HEW Executive Assistant Eddie Bernice Johnson (who would later become a Congresswoman from Texas) advocated the licensing of parents before they would be permitted to have children. Licensing of parents has also been proposed by Prof. Gene Stephens (THE FUTURIST, April 1981) and Dr. Jack Westman (LICENSING PARENTS, 1994).

Under the American socialism planned for our future, government will increasingly control our lives via mental health screening and education, among other means. Only if the American people resist these efforts as soon as possible will we be successful in thwarting the plans of the power elite."


Now if you think this is unimaginable here, remember what Tony Blair said regarding screening if unborn children for character defects ?

Anyway I'm going off tangent here a bit.....

Your "'if your friend told you to jump off a bridge would you do it?' question again assumes there is no conspiracy for powerful people to implement an evil and sick agendas against the people.

The question actually is "If your enemy told you to jump off the cliff for the supposed good of society would you do it ?"

The big politicians don't care about us, Britain or our lives Akria, do you understand ? They want to control you, take away your freedoms and tax you to oblivion in the process. Why ? Because they are not like you and me - they are evil people who love power.

If you want an example of how corrupt the EU(for example) is, look at the thread "EU legalizes paedophilia" and see my reply relating to Bush and child prostitution rings as reported by the Washington Post.

"Please explain how it would be in the national interests of the USA to cripple one of its key allies, anyway."

You've a lot of research to do about the New World Order and the elite before you understand about that and what the ultimate plan for the future is.
I'm afraid I can't explain it in a sentence.

Can you be open minded enough to at least consider so called "conspiracy theories" that may in fact be true, uncomfortable as though they may be to accept?

If so then watch "Endgame" on youtube or just go to infowars and start learning.

Remember it's not a game - it's our future's we're talking about here......

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Besoeker

First you have a rant at the wrong organisation.
Then you apologise to the wrong person.

Priceless.

brian pearson

Lots of angles to come from regarding the public funding of parenthood.

Firstly, the cost. We just can't afford it. It's not just the odd claiment. There are whole estates of non working mothers who treat having children as a job. The sight of kids pushing around kids is everywhere.

Secondly, the social consequences. When you tend to get things free you don't really value them. Therefore you end up with ferel brats who run around with no parental control whatsoever. These will no doubt breed like rabbits themselves and the downward spiral continues.

Thirdly, the unfairness of it all. As a couple who both HAVE to go out to work full time to pay the bills (tax being the biggest) we can only afford one child. We claim nothing. Looking around at the way my tax is spent by those who CHOOSE not to work hardly inspires us.

The welfare bill is incredible and rising. The welfare state is supposed to be a safety net, not a way of life. Yet it is set up to encourage recklesness and social breakdown. The financial cost is big but nothing compared to the way it positively encourages social mayhem.

It could take decades to turn attitudes around.

kernow

Agreed! Last Winter whilst standing outside a pub waiting for a taxi at 11pm, two young girls I swear weren't old enough to smoke walked past me pushing two very young babies in modern three wheeled pram/pushchairs, these two girls were with two other similar aged girls all dressed like tarts and all smoking. I thought then what chance have those babies got, they're the feral kids of the future. The modern welfare state is totally to blame, you can't blame those young girls they know no other way of life!

The Bear

Personal freedom is right and proper up to the point that one man’s (or woman’s in this case) impinges excessively on other peoples.

Quite apart from the Rest of the World the population of Britain is far too high.

In any case it’s not just a case of what a couple can afford since the nurturing of a child to adulthood is heavily dependent on the rest of us. Quite apart from the payment of child support there is the cost of schooling and education in general, the medical costs, transport costs, and a whole lot more besides.

Personally I would like to see a third and subsequent child being taxed so as to present a disincentive to a couple to have more than two kids. I know the arguments based on it being the kid that suffers but look around at the amount of feral scum that roam the streets as it is.

Freedom is great, but not when your freedom starts to significantly affect mine.

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youcanhandlethetruth

Wjilst you may be right in principle, you've totally missed my point and have decided not to look at the big picture as to why we can't afford it.

Easier to blame the single mothers than the powers that be which account for a much larger proprtion of the enormous debt we find ourselves in.

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John Connor

It means, basically, that there's far too many commies and voodooists who're not doing the honourable thing and committing suicide. Hypocrites.

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