Akria

I think I may be a bit late to the party, but meh.
I'm human, British and English. But human first and foremost.

__________________
I am getting very tired of people not reading my posts properly.
Please do not reply to me unless you are sure you have not missed out the key points I am making and key words I am using.

http://real-democracy.co.uk | Admin and proud

The commonality of mankind:
If you prick us, do we not bleed?
If you tickle us, do we not laugh?
If you poison us, do we not die?

BonnieDundee

You got it the wrong way round Akria. Those social groupings closer to you are likely to have had the most formative elements upon your personality.

__________________
"It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state."
-Bruce Schneier

How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and p*ss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.
Edward Abbey

Leopold Kohr.

BonnieDundee

A little less of the hostility please.

It is these social groupings such nationality(in a limited way.) which through their functional and ideational role shape a lot of our identites, interests, personalities and meanings. To the degree these are healthy will have a large impact on the well being of the people.

We should have pride for them because of this importance in our lives and to keep them supported, but that shouldn't be irrational pride and patriotism.

I'd argue nations like Britain and England are far too large for their ideational supports to be healthily linked with the material and functional realities of real life humans who must live on a human scale, but that perhaps is a different argument.

Also of course states, gov'ts and nations are just one part of human social bonds and associations, and in many way not the most important particularly past the local level, and should not be pushed so much the rest are forgotten

__________________
"It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state."
-Bruce Schneier

How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and p*ss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.
Edward Abbey

Leopold Kohr.

Little Englander (sour)

If you couldn't give a shyte why are you here ranting about something of which you obviously know nothing.

Social cohesion, through what ever means (I prefer nationalism) is the stuff of nationhood, it brings people together to fight for causes that they collectively see as damaging to that cohesive element.

It gives a sense of belonging, a wish to help those in less fortunate situations. witness the charities that gain from this feeling, I would list the good causes but am not inclined to insult your intelligence, it would be nice if you returned the compliment.

It allows the coming together in times of strife, wether that strife is man made or natural.

Just for starters.

__________________
Little Englander (bigoted)

Little Englander (sour)

[quote=BonnieDundee;546982]

Also of course states, gov'ts and nations are just one part of human social bonds and associations, and in many way not the most important particularly past the local level, and should not be pushed so much the rest are forgotten[/QUOTE

It is true that all tiers of social cohesion have a role to play, there are actions that are beyond the competence and resources of local groups that may be solved by bigger groups, which is why, and here I see a bit of "regionalism" creeping into your arguement, splitting nations into smaller groups will only serve to cause jealousy and infighting as witnessed by the inequalities that are percieved to exist between the constituent countries of the United (ha ha) Kingdom.

A neighbouring "region" that is "percieved" to be more favourably treated, and don't tell me it won't happen, is going to react with a certain amount od animosity, Cross border raids ring any bells?

__________________
Little Englander (bigoted)

Gregory Lauder-Frost

British? English? Some say it already has no meaning apart from the paperwork. After this it definitely will not:

Sunday Express | UK News :: Secret plot to let 50million African workers into EU

cassie

Regrettably, we English are only too accustomed to non-English inflicting their unwanted opinions on us! Be in no doubt, that we are becoming less tolerant of such bad manners.


-