Petition to ask the PM to state whether he recognises that England is a nation

cassie · 16-09-2008, 01:14 PM

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Surely fair-minded Unionists would have no difficulty in signing this petition?

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We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to state whether he recognises that England is a nation.

The present prime minister’s predecessor once characterised Scotland as “a proud historic nation”: sentiments which the Prime Minister would doubtless share.

Under devolution, the people of Scotland, Wales and even Northern Ireland are reaffirming their historic nationhood and taking pride in their new national governmental institutions.

England, too, is a proud historic nation; and a great many people living in England - perhaps the majority - view their national identity as English in the first instance, and British only secondarily.

In the light of these trends, we believe the government should state explicitly whether it regards England as a nation in its own right or not.

It goes without saying that any acknowledgement of nation status, however qualified, for England should be accompanied by the acknowledgement of nation status for Scotland and Wales, at least - Northern Ireland perhaps being a special case.

Equally, if England is not to be regarded as a nation, the same should apply to Scotland and Wales.

The Cross of StGeorge blog Petition to ask the Prime Minister to state whether he recognises that England is a nation

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cassie · 16-09-2008, 01:30 PM

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Here's another take:

England: Nation or not? | open Democracy News Analysis

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Gregory Lauder-Frost · 16-09-2008, 07:38 PM

I am absolutely certain that neither the Prime Minister or the Labour Party regard England or Great Britain as a nation, as they don't believe in the nation State.

moe · 16-09-2008, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Gregory Lauder-Frost

I am absolutely certain that neither the Prime Minister or the Labour Party regard England or Great Britain as a nation, as they don't believe in the nation State.

They do believe in nation states, they certainly regard Scotland, Wales and NI as nations - hence the continual mantra of "The nations and Regions of the United Kingdom". Also Mr Blair declared in his Preface to the 1997 Scottish Devolution Bill that 'Scotland is a proud historic nation'.

alfred the great · 17-09-2008, 08:50 AM

What good do petitions do?. There is only thing that works.The vote ,my recipe is vote for anyone except the main 3.

cassie · 17-09-2008, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by alfred the great

What good do petitions do?. There is only thing that works.The vote ,my recipe is vote for anyone except the main 3.

I do not disagree with your recommended tactic. Indeed, I recommend it myself, but the two actions are not mutually exclusive.

Moreover, one can participate in a petition now, whereas one cannot vote for anyone until an election is called. Frankly, I'm all in favour of voters being more dynamic. If more direct action was taken against those exercising power over us and purportedly 'representing' us, they might, just might take more notice of us . . . as a nation in our own right!

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alfred the great · 17-09-2008, 10:33 AM

I agree with you cassie.My point is they know what most of us think on a range of matters,and still they ignore us . Can i start a petition to close the place down. please.

Gregory Lauder-Frost · 17-09-2008, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by moe

They do believe in nation states, they certainly regard Scotland, Wales and NI as nations - hence the continual mantra of "The nations and Regions of the United Kingdom". Also Mr Blair declared in his Preface to the 1997 Scottish Devolution Bill that 'Scotland is a proud historic nation'.

Blair was playing to the Labour Party gallery in Scotland, However that has backfired on the Party as many of those voters have moved over to the SNP.

I would say they may believe in 'historic' nation states, but today they only believe in EU Regions.

cassie · 17-09-2008, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Gregory Lauder-Frost

Blair was playing to the Labour Party gallery in Scotland, However that has backfired on the Party as many of those voters have moved over to the SNP.

I would say they may believe in 'historic' nation states, but today they only believe in EU Regions.

None of this fatalism justifies doing nothing, especially seeking to rally support for recognition of England as a nation in its own right!

UKIP's policy in this sphere is totally impracticable, and English patriots must look elsewhere for realistic remedies.

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Gregory Lauder-Frost · 17-09-2008, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cassie

None of this fatalism justifies doing nothing, especially seeking to rally support for recognition of England as a nation in its own right!

UKIP's policy in this sphere is totally impracticable, and English patriots must look elsewhere for realistic remedies.

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16-09-2008, 01:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
cassie Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,905	--- Here's another take: England: Nation or not? \| open Democracy News Analysis ---

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Gregory Lauder-Frost Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: U.K. Posts: 671 Party: UKIP	I am absolutely certain that neither the Prime Minister or the Labour Party regard England or Great Britain as a nation, as they don't believe in the nation State.

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alfred the great Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 292	What good do petitions do?. There is only thing that works.The vote ,my recipe is vote for anyone except the main 3.

17-09-2008, 10:33 AM	#7 (permalink)
alfred the great Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 292	I agree with you cassie.My point is they know what most of us think on a range of matters,and still they ignore us . Can i start a petition to close the place down. please.