Thread: Libertarianaism is a Left Wing ideology.

Libertarianism in itself is neither Left nor Right.
For example, you can get Libertarians who lean towards the left, then those such as Margaret Thatcher who, although wasn't exactly a Libertarian, shared many similarities to what could be called a right-wing Libertarian.

This is quite a useful chart as a starter:


http://www.icarry.org/pdf/Edward_Gri...or_Mankind.pdf

The problem with debates on political ideology is that no one seems to agree on the meaning of the terms used.

There are socialist 'libertarians' and capitalist libertarians. They are far from the same, in the same way that BNP nationalism is different to Sinn Fein nationalism.

Originally Posted by g hall

Certainly not it's still alive and kicking and punching and behaving thuggishly

Name me a state where Fascism is in operation today!

Originally Posted by Blazing Star

Of course this argument was used by 19th century liberals/libertarians opposing the reforms of Shaftesbury, a Tory.

So why should not a child be permitted to have sex with an adult, provided it is "voluntary"?

You tell me, oh wise sage! What is the indisputable correct answer?

Does it have anything to do with negative rights?

Originally Posted by British-Conservatism

Ask the Libertarians they always say the BNP is left wing.

Statism is left wing. End of.

Originally Posted by British-Conservatism

Fascism died in 1945.

By any definition of the term it is still going strong.

Originally Posted by g hall

Incorrect ..

Care to say why?

Originally Posted by HM

There are socialist 'libertarians' and capitalist libertarians. They are far from the same, in the same way that BNP nationalism is different to Sinn Fein nationalism.

Libertarian socialism is an oxymoron and a disgrace. Collectivism is coercion to the individual. It is therefore against freedom and immoral.

Originally Posted by British-Conservatism

Name me a state where Fascism is in operation today!

The USA. $9000 stolen from every American family and given to corporations that didnt ask for it, chosen by a small elite, with no benefit for the victim. That's fascism.

China. Go to the Amnesty International website or just google "Chinese human rights abuses".

I know you probably WON'T get the picture. But you should

Originally Posted by British-Conservatism

Name me a state where Fascism is in operation today!

Europe.

America.

Statism is left wing. End of.

How can this be when Statism can produce two opposites in society.
For example Right wing statism could deport all non-whites and create a monoracial society.
Left wing statism on the other hand could enforce multiracialism and create a mongrel nation.

By any definition of the term it is still going strong.

Last state anywhere near Fascism in my mind would be Peron's second bout in charge in Argentina in the 1970's.

Libertarian socialism is an oxymoron and a disgrace. Collectivism is coercion to the individual. It is therefore against freedom and immoral.

Strange when Mill himself moved to this possition when he realised how much poverty restricts freedom.

The USA. $9000 stolen from every American family and given to corporations that didnt ask for it, chosen by a small elite, with no benefit for the victim. That's fascism.

It's not Fascism in this case just Liberalism or Neo-Conservatism.
Yet this type of politics could apply to a number of ideologies.

China. Go to the Amnesty International website or just google "Chinese human rights abuses".

Human rights can be abused by any system including a Libertarian one.