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Old 12-10-2008, 04:05 PM   #71 (permalink)
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If your idea of the 21st Century is David "the dipstick" Cameron and his Blue-Lib-Dems or even Blue-Labour then that's fine by me, but never forget that your return to the Tories plus the abolition of the CDA has disappointed many people.
Big opportunity for you and DC, eh, Riaz.

On second thoughts, maybe not.

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Old 12-10-2008, 04:25 PM   #72 (permalink)
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That's a silly reply. Of course pre 2000 politics is taught in Universities, many topics that are considered anachronistic today are the backbone of most subjects. Knowledge requires paradigms and all aspects of a subject are open to analysis. In the political world that effects social and economic aspects of the world today, pre 2000 politics no longer has a workable place. It depends how exactly how you would want things to move back, if it is radically then you have no chance. I don't think gc is saying pre 2000 politcs should be dropped, I think he is saying it has no place now in practical politics.
"pre 2000 politics no longer has a workable place"

I wouldnt say so since we are now ran along 1960's and 70's Trotskyite lines.
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Old 12-10-2008, 04:47 PM   #73 (permalink)
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I laughed my bollox off when I wrote to you as a 'critic of Mike Smith' under a phoney ID and you proceeded to tell me what you thought of the slimy *******.
Was this that "nonexistent" person from the QuickTopic forum?
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Old 12-10-2008, 06:41 PM   #74 (permalink)
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"pre 2000 politics no longer has a workable place"

I wouldnt say so since we are now ran along 1960's and 70's Trotskyite lines.


Trotskyism? As there has never been a successful Trotskyist government in the UK, how do you arrive at that conclusion? The UK is run on a capitalist market economy, which as any true Trotskyist would agree is why communism failed in the UK and elsewhere in Europe. It failed in the USSR too, for other reasons.

Also revolution as in the Trotskyist permanent revolution would mean violent overthrow of capitalism I must have missed that, although I wasn't born yet by the 70’s I don’t recall the violent other throw of any government by the working classes when did it happen?, There was a brief vanguard of Trotskyists militants in Liverpool council in the 80's that were instrumental in getting rid of Thatcher and her hated poll tax, but those are the only Troskyist line that ever intervened on a notable scale in British politics.

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Old 12-10-2008, 06:52 PM   #75 (permalink)
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Maybe Mr Cartright can explain to each and every one of us the significant difference in "politics" in 2008 from 1998, and 1988 etc. He might also consider writing to all the universities in Britain to tell them that pre-2000 politics now has no meaning whatsoever and should be dropped from all classes on Politics.
I never heard anything as stupid as this from a person who claims to be educated.
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Old 12-10-2008, 07:02 PM   #76 (permalink)
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I never heard anything as stupid as this from a person who claims to be educated.
I read it as being a rather sulky reply. No thought at all went into it. Are you sulking Gregory?
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It’s quite a general consensus actually.



It doesn’t matter he was a member of the BNP, lets stick to the point here, mikeuk is making threats and side remarks because of their past affiliations with a Nazi party, why is it that you and mikeuk think your excuses are somehow credible, who do you think you are?



Good for you, I said according to the Guardian I did not say it was a fact. I am happy to read you defending yourself against being a member of the Nazi BNP.



I read it in Hugh Muir’s diary and Richard Bartholomew, you Swirling and Anderson.


Thank you, for the compliment.



Well you ended up resorting to personal smears, so just how low can you get Gregory! he isn't in the NF now, so what has it got to so with the now? Really I would love to know, why you and your other CDA colleagues despite backgrounds of far right activity should have the temerity to bring up someone's right wing past as a way of attacking him, you are beyond the pale.

Are you on something or just confused? Are you unable to properly answer my points?

Do you know what "far-right" activity actually is/means?
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"Prior to WWI the Tory Party...."

If you want to know why right-wing politics have failed, then one might consider their position of perspective, and their subsequent total disenfranchisement.

Yep. At the dawn of the 21st century we need to worry about what the Tories were thinking "prior to WW2".

Actually, those of us who, like our children, live in a different age, might consider this to be not politics, but history!

This is what I was referring to regarding your comments on politics as though we all came down in the last shower.

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Are you on something or just confused? Are you unable to properly answer my points?

Do you know what "far-right" activity actually is/means?
Gregory I answered all you points adequately, just admit that you are out of your depth and are stalling with that last sentence.
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Gregory I answered all you points adequately, just admit that you are out of your depth and are stalling with that last sentence.

I hardly think so. You simply did not properly address sharply the points I made at all. Instead you tried to skirt around them. You made accusations and inuendos which were untrue and unsustainable.
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