SilverFalcon

Thank you, Seasider, on behalf of all the English South Africans. If my mother hadn't died I would be writing this from Australia because that is where my parents had decided to take the family in 1963. We didn't make it and I am still here, but I always wanted to go back to England and find my ancestral line which had been broken and partly lost.

Maybe some day ...

If not, my support is with all of you as you try to extricate yourselves from the EU and gain independence.

Mikeuk

SF posts some of the most intelligent and interesting insights on this forum.

Yet she also has to put up with endless moronic abuse.

SilverFalcon

Endless moronic abuse is with us, like the proverbial poor, because we allow it to exist. We allow a world to be made where endless moronic abuse of everything that is good and true is permitted. The excuse is made that this is freedom. Yet if you have an opinion, state a fact or try and defend yourself, or others, from endless moronic abuse you will be slapped soundly and more and more often heavily fined or imprisoned because you dared to challenge a yob race who are taking over the entire planet through the agency of global TV emanating from that delectable fruit basket of political idiocy, modern America.

The reason why retaining the things that made Britain great is a good idea is because without this sane, intelligent, progressive, high minded group of nations the world would be a very different place. The uniqueness of a small group of islands whose empire was a far reaching and benevolent one has not yet been seen in our world. America is trying to make a passable imitation but is degenerating into banality and religious mania because that is what America does best. She excels at cheap imitation and moral ambiguity whilst simultaneously going to war clutching the word of God.

This isn't an insult to Americans. I sympathise with those who have begun to hate their country. I blame the European west instead, and especially Britain, for allowing the old civilized America and its strange and wild mid west dukedoms to fall victim to the disease that entered her body on immigrant ships - greed. America threw her legs open to the world and now has the mother of all social diseases - political correctness compounded by religious mania and a passion for cash. Her modern madness is made manifest by some delusion that she is the teacher and the saviour of the world.

How Tony Blair could have made the statement that Britain has a special relationship with modern America, I can't imagine, other than the suspicion that he, too, is a greedy, self opinionated, morally obtuse religious warrior. He now lectures religion at Yale, apparently. How profound. Poor Yale. Another one bites the dust.

There are enough people left in the world from the generation that was taught by the generation that understood what civilization was and knew how to maintain it, for some kind of revival to occur. You can't ever go back, you can only ever hope to go forth. But to go forth speaking like a Rastafarian, looking like a dog's blanket and thinking like a cretin is not the way to effect this transformation by evolution.

Every day more moronic abusers join the internet fraternity and worm their way into any attempts to restore the balance. Everyone is tied up in legal wrangles and anger management. Ever increasing numbers of once hopeful folk depart from the Grey Havens, as they say in Tolkien speak. Before all of the elves depart Middle Earth, taking with them most of their human companions, something should be done to restore the Shires. (Reading Tolkien's myths is highly recommended. They contain a manual of survival skills and a plethora of warnings. And besides, which, they are written in eloquent English and go a long way in returning some of the beauty and light to a language now sadly ghettoised and in places utterly destroyed. They contain also the sacred warrior codes of our ancestors. But a Tolkien mind and talent comes only now and then to any folk culture. They still haven't located his successor. They look in the wrong places and seek the wrong thing.)

So the Mad Hatter's tea party goes on and the moronic abuse that attends one of these gatherings is the language of the day.

People don't realise that just a little way off to one side, among some flowers and near the great roots of an old tree lies the way out of the nightmare. But we have to know what to look for and we have to see the tea party for what it is and we have to hate it with a vengeance before we will be able to leave and seek instead the way out of endless moronic abuse. It will continue unabated after we have gone. Such is the nature of true madness.

youcanhandlethetruth

Because by referring to "Britain" and "America" it takes responsibility away from those corrupt politicians who lead us into war, and forces the people to adopt a misplaced nationalistic sense of unity.

The warmongering neo-cons(along with Blair who was elected and initiated by the elite by all accounts) and their corporations interests are best served by nations like "Britain" and "America" rallying around them.

Then people who don't support the war are simply branded as "unpatriotic" and "not supporting the troops".

Pawns in a chess game with the elite and the corportations the victors over us all.

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Baron von Lotsov

The special relationship is there alright; it's just not in the least bit like what you would imagine it would be. To understand that you would first need to look at the ownership of the Federal Reserve during the 20th century. You might be surprised at what you find.

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angelman

I'm intrigued as to the answer.

Looking at FRB: FAQs: Federal Reserve System it states (although I presume that you have a different answer):

Who owns the Federal Reserve?

The Federal Reserve System is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution. Instead, it is an independent entity within the government, having both public purposes and private aspects.

As the nation's central bank, the Federal Reserve derives its authority from the U.S. Congress. It is considered an independent central bank because its decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branch of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms. However, the Federal Reserve is subject to oversight by Congress, which periodically reviews its activities and can alter its responsibilities by statute. Also, the Federal Reserve must work within the framework of the overall objectives of economic and financial policy established by the government. Therefore, the Federal Reserve can be more accurately described as "independent within the government."

The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by Congress as the operating arms of the nation's central banking system, are organized much like private corporations--possibly leading to some confusion about "ownership." For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year.

youcanhandlethetruth

angelman,

Of course that Federal reseve website is not going to say "we are a privately owned institution"

But they are......

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gc

I heard this... but I never saw proof. Perhaps you can show it to me.... I have an open mind on this one.

youcanhandlethetruth

Well without those financial records of the fed and the private banks, "proof" is difficult to show on this one.

Some people will argue that anything other than "official" sources is lack of proof (to dispute the official claim that is not private) so you will need to make a judgement as to what and who you believe based on what I will show you.

That said, I recommend the following sources of information:

I recommend you watch these videos first: (subsequent parts in youtube)

Money As Debt

The Money Masters

And this is a very good article which explains quite a lot of the history:

Web of Debt - PUTTING THE FEDERAL BACK IN THE FEDERAL RESERVE

The whole article is very good but here is an excerp:

"Congress and the President have some input in appointing the Federal Reserve Board, but the Board works behind closed doors with the regional bankers, without Congressional oversight or control. Bank CEOs actually sit on the boards of the Fed’s twelve branches. As just one recent example of the private control of public monies, in March of this year the New York Federal Reserve agreed in private weekend negotiations to advance $55 billion of the people’s money so that JPMorgan Chase could buy Bear Stearns at the bargain basement price of $2 a share, down from a high of $156 a share. It was a hostile takeover, not approved by the Bear Stearns shareholders or the American voters. JPMorgan Chase is the bank founded by John Pierpont Morgan, who sponsored the Federal Reserve Act in 1913. Jamie Dimon, the current CEO of JPMorgan Chase, sits on the board of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, which dominates the twelve Federal Reserve Banks; and he has huge stock holdings in JPMorgan Chase. His participation in the decision to give his bank $55 billion in Federal Reserve loans is the sort of conflict of interest that federal statute makes a criminal offense; but there is no one to prosecute the statute, because the banking lobby is too powerful to be denied. The banking lobby is powerful because private bankers, not the government, create our money and control who gets it. (See Ellen Brown, “The Secret Bailout of JPMorgan,” May 13, 2008, www.webofdebt.com/articles; and “What’s the Difference Between Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns?”, June 14, 2008, ibid.)

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