Time for David Cameron to deal with Tory 'Lunatic Fringe'

Gregory Lauder-Frost · 23-08-2008, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by gc

I have been a committee member of the Swinton Circle, I have known Alan Harvey for some years, and I am convinced that he is sincere in his desire to keep extremist elements out of the Circle's meetings.

I have engaged with the CDA in the past, and I regret that that organisation does not share Harvey's principles.

I have spoken at a meeting of the Springbok Club, which I would not have done if I beleived it to be an extremist or racist organisation.

I too have known Alan Harvey for more years than I care to recall and I remain unclear as to his "principles". The CDA believes in tradititional Toryism. Its a pity therefore that Harvey cannot relate to that and probably why he has never engaged with it. But I do know (because he told me so) that he fully supports the invasion and continuing war in Iraq. When I told him I did not he accused me of being a left-wing traitor.

Torytruth · 23-08-2008, 11:15 PM

Here are a few facts about the moderate Mr Harvey

Springbok Club - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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From its inception, the prime mover of the Springbok Club has been Alan Harvey, a former National Front activist, and the Springbok Club has frequently been linked with Far-Right Extremism.

In July 2001 the website of the ultra-Right wing, White Supremacist Nationalist Movement of the United States made the following claims: [26]

Harvey pushes empire for repatriation outlet

Former South African terms aliens "dangerous"

LONDON - Alan Harvey says that he is working to restore the British Empire. And his Springbok Club is his vehicle. "Re-establishment of a British colony -- any colony -- would make it infinitely easier to remove the dangerously large number of aliens from the UK," he said. Harvey, who escaped South Africa, says he regards Nationalists as "my best contacts in America, who I urge to support the plan."

All the Way showcases white supremacists such as Alan Harvey, Steve McDonald, Bob Grant, Ken Hamblin, Tavis Smiley, Richard French, James Meredith, Jim Hood, Hal Turner and, perhaps most controversially, Edgar Ray Killen. It bills itself as "the longest-running continually published nationalist newspaper."

An active member of the Springbok Club was Bill Binding, who was deputy head of the British Ku Klux Klan. In 1997, Binding stood as a BNP parliamentary candidate in Dagenham, east London. At his death in November 2007 Binding was described on the official Springbok Club website as "a former dedicated ExCo member of the Springbok Club/ELC" [27]

The Springbok Club has repeatedly described Nelson Mandela as a "terrorist". The Club's official website states:-

"President P.W. Botha told Mandela way back in 1985, that he could be a free man as long as he did one thing: Publicly renounce violence. Mandela refused. That is why Mandela remained in prison until the appeaser F.W. de Klerk freed him unconditionally. The bottom line is that Nelson Mandela never publicly renounced violence - and we should never forget that."

The website praises a poster captioned "Hang Nelson Mandela" as:-

"Poster distributed by the Federation of Conservative Students (the official Conservative Party student organisation) in Britain during the early 1980s, clearly illustrating that people overseas were more aware of the evil nature of Mandela and his fellow ANC terrorists than most people in South Africa were." [28]

Mikeuk · 23-08-2008, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Torytruth

An active member of the Springbok Club was Bill Binding, who was deputy head of the British Ku Klux Klan. In 1997, Binding stood as a BNP parliamentary candidate in Dagenham, east London. At his death in November 2007 Binding was described on the official Springbok Club website as "a former dedicated ExCo member of the Springbok Club/ELC"

Sounds like Alan and Bill gave 'Hug a Hoodie' a whole new meaning.

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Harvey, who escaped South Africa, says he regards Nationalists as "my best contacts in America, who I urge to support the plan."

Escaped somewhere all right. I think they're out looking for him.

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All the Way showcases white supremacists such as Alan Harvey, Steve McDonald, Bob Grant, Ken Hamblin, Tavis Smiley, Richard French, James Meredith, Jim Hood, Hal Turner and, perhaps most controversially, Edgar Ray Killen.

This Killen sounds a charming fellow...

Edgar Ray Killen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mikeuk · 24-08-2008, 06:47 PM

I'm told that 'gc' (NOT Geoffrey Collier) is one Gary Cartwright, who is apparently employed by Tom Wise MEP.

Mr Cartwright was evidently responsible for the following charming missive which I have found on the net. It is certainly no advertisement for UKIP.

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Editor,

I thought The Quisling's column might be more relevant to real life than usual in the Feb/March issue. The democratisation of India is a case study which proves, in my opinion, what a great thing the British Empire
was, and why the entire world should be bloody grateful to us for
sorting them out. (It also brings back memories of long ago studies, and a very pretty lecturer at the LSE...........)
However, I was lost before I got to the third paragraph. Could you please ask him, on my behalf, what the f*ck he is going on about? For God's sake spare this man further embarrassment and edit his work for him. Or at least tell him not to write when he's p*ssed.

Gary Cartwright, Indem Group, European parliament, Brussels

I would have thought Mr Wise was in enough hot water already without having his foul-mouthed bag-carrier involved with the KKK-linked Springbok Club.

gc · 25-08-2008, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikeuk

I would have thought Mr Wise was in enough hot water already without having his foul-mouthed bag-carrier involved with the KKK-linked Springbok Club.

Thats rich, coming from the 'man' who wrote: "I don't take kindly to anonymous cowards like you trying to slime me and my colleagues while associating with racist, antisemitic, scum like Harvey".

Independent UKIP · 25-08-2008, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by gc

Thats rich, coming from the 'man' who wrote: "I don't take kindly to anonymous cowards like you trying to slime me and my colleagues while associating with racist, antisemitic, scum like Harvey".

Just so you can't delete this out of existence... I have no agenda in this but in the years I've been a member of this forum I have had a high regard for Mikeuk whilst not always agreeing with him.

Gregory Lauder-Frost · 25-08-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by gc

Thats rich, coming from the 'man' who wrote: "I don't take kindly to anonymous cowards like you trying to slime me and my colleagues while associating with racist, antisemitic, scum like Harvey".

What is untrue about this statement?

gc · 25-08-2008, 02:12 PM

The Guardian (London)

December 6, 1991

"Trailing the cloak of racism: Peter Lennon finds that Jean Marie Le Pen's presence in Britain has loosened tongues

BYLINE: By PETER LENNON

'WE LOOK across the Atlantic and see an example of negroes who have gone to that country. The point is, they don't behave the way we behave. We should be nipping this thing in the bud. We should make them (Asian and African immigrants) an offer they could hardly refuse.'
So says Mr Gregory Lauder-Frost, operations manager of the Riverside Health Authority and director of the Foreign Affairs committee of the Monday Club".

Gregory Lauder-Frost · 25-08-2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by gc

The Guardian (London)

December 6, 1991

"Trailing the cloak of racism: Peter Lennon finds that Jean Marie Le Pen's presence in Britain has loosened tongues

BYLINE: By PETER LENNON

'WE LOOK across the Atlantic and see an example of negroes who have gone to that country. The point is, they don't behave the way we behave. We should be nipping this thing in the bud. We should make them (Asian and African immigrants) an offer they could hardly refuse.'
So says Mr Gregory Lauder-Frost, operations manager of the Riverside Health Authority and director of the Foreign Affairs committee of the Monday Club".

What, exactly, is wrong with my completely factual comment all those 17 years ago? More to the point (as my solicitors pointed out at the time) why was it necessary to mention exactly where I was then based?

My (out of context) point which you seem unable to grasp - why do those with limited intellectual abilities attempt to enter debating forums? - was that after living amongst Europeans in the USA for three centuries they still engaged in mass riots and foul behaviour, that it was now happening here and costing millions of pounds of damage (not to mention the knifeings which were going on even then), and we need to do something. Fair comment.

Mikeuk · 25-08-2008, 06:51 PM

I have made a formal complaint about the last post to the mods and I shall also be sending a complaint to Mr Cartwright's employer, Tom Wise MEP.

Apart from anything else I think Mr Wise will be extremely concerned to hear that Gary Cartwright is or has been a member of the far-right Swinton Circle and that he has addressed the White-supremacist Springbok Club, whose memberhap has included active members of the BNP and the Ku Klux Klan.

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25-08-2008, 02:12 PM	#28 (permalink)
gc Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 569	The Guardian (London) December 6, 1991 "Trailing the cloak of racism: Peter Lennon finds that Jean Marie Le Pen's presence in Britain has loosened tongues BYLINE: By PETER LENNON 'WE LOOK across the Atlantic and see an example of negroes who have gone to that country. The point is, they don't behave the way we behave. We should be nipping this thing in the bud. We should make them (Asian and African immigrants) an offer they could hardly refuse.' So says Mr Gregory Lauder-Frost, operations manager of the Riverside Health Authority and director of the Foreign Affairs committee of the Monday Club".

25-08-2008, 06:51 PM	#30 (permalink)
Mikeuk Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Fareham Posts: 5,758 Party: Conservatives	I have made a formal complaint about the last post to the mods and I shall also be sending a complaint to Mr Cartwright's employer, Tom Wise MEP. Apart from anything else I think Mr Wise will be extremely concerned to hear that Gary Cartwright is or has been a member of the far-right Swinton Circle and that he has addressed the White-supremacist Springbok Club, whose memberhap has included active members of the BNP and the Ku Klux Klan.