Could the Tories have won the 1997 general election?

Dissident Congress · 23-07-2008, 10:12 AM

Cast your mind back to the first day of spring of 1997. Britain is government by a tired exhausted Conservative government with an uncolourful leader at its helm. They have lost their majority in Parliament. They are patently not the same party as the Tories who were running Britain during the Thatcher decade just a mere 10 years ago. Their track record over the past 5 years in office is tarnished with plenty of sleaze and corruption. They can no longer play the trump card of low taxes because they have raised all manner of taxes after accusing Labour of dropping a tax bomb in 1992. Their image is staid and dull. One commentator came out with "The Tories are cricket and warm beer whereas Labour are rollerblades and alcopops". Worst of all, the Tories have no vision for the future.

On the opposition benches in Parliament is a bright and snappy Labour Party bursting with energy. A reformed and revived party called New Labour which has jettisoned Clause 4 and its image of northern industrial workers wearing flat caps. They have a young and dynamic leader with a shiny eyes and a beaming smile who has come out of nowhere. Worst of all, they have won the hearts and minds of Middle England, Essex Man, and Worcester Woman.

The Tories are doomed. NuLab will win hands down with a big majority. Or will they?

In the run-up to the general election, the Tories mounted a weak and inept campaign. Their central plank of New Labour - New Danger failed to make any impact with the electorate. Just exactly what was that new danger? Nobody, not even the Tories themselves seemed to know. Therefore, it just came across as an empty soundbite. I personally think that New Labour - Same Old Danger would have been much more effective.

On the 9th of April 1997, the Tories aired an election broadcast featuring a group of 10 lower-class people who had all voted Labour. The same people then spoke one year later, and two years later about the Labour government with bitterness and regret.

This broadcast could only be described as negative and pessimistic. It may have even worsened the Tory's election results, but it could have been the tool that won the election for them.

Let's look at the message given by the 10 lower-class people. All they spoke about was the economy, unemployment, and taxes. Clearly the wrong message. What should they have spoken up about? Something that always increases under a Labour government - immigration. The people could then have proceeded to race relations, political correctness, multiculturalism, asylum seekers, and how the government spends billions of pounds on ethnic minorities whilst telling the white British to stuff it. An even more dramatic election broadcast would have included a clip of Enoch Powell giving his Rivers of Blood Speech where he states that "the black man will have the whip hand over the white man".

Immigration wasn't an issue in the spring of 1997, but an election broadcast like this would have sent a shockwave through the nation. It would have exposed Labour's real motivation concealed behind a facade of spin and glitz. The Tories may have been a dull party tainted by sleaze and corruption under John Major. However, Middle England and Tory voting working class people would not stand for a government that swamped the country with around 250,000 immigrants and asylum seekers every year, whilst imposing the most anti-British and pro-ethnic race relations policy in history.

On the 2nd of May, we could have woken up to newspaper headlines saying things along the lines of "Bad luck Blair - we know your game", "Can Labour ever win a general election?", or "Tories to take Britain into the new millennium".

There is a question that needs answering. Did the Tories miss a trick, or are they really just as multicultural and pro-immigration as Labour are?

Little Englander (sour) · 23-07-2008, 11:32 AM

Not a chance in hell.
In 1997 the Tories were so steeped in sleaze and (perceived) corruption that they were totally unelectable, I would further add that they were so arrogant as to believe that they had done nothing wrong, they were willing to use the "sword of justice" to prove their innocence (Aitkinson), brown paper bags were flying everywhere, I'm astonished that people think that, even now, they are electable.

BonnieDundee · 23-07-2008, 12:45 PM

When weren't the Tories steeped in sleaze and corruption? And when did that really matter? The British public voted three times for that ***** Thatcher didn't they. It seems to be largely the media which decide things these days.

That said the Tories were doomed, the media was against them and they were more inept, corrupt and stupid than usual.

As someone who thinks Thatcher and Major were worse than Blair I could care less.

Little Englander (sour) · 23-07-2008, 04:19 PM

Ditto, It is only the crass incompetence of the New Labour government that has brought the Tories back from the brink. was it ever thus. Political parties don't win elections - they lose them.

Westcountryman · 24-07-2008, 12:07 AM

I'd rather have the Tories in government than Labour any day of the week.

BonnieDundee · 24-07-2008, 12:44 AM

I wouldn't. I remember the last time.

Westcountryman · 24-07-2008, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

I wouldn't. I remember the last time.

Hm, compared to Labour in the 70s and the modern day...yep, would still take the Tories.

g hall · 24-07-2008, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Westcountryman

I'd rather have the Tories in government than Labour any day of the week.

I'd rather have neither

rjt · 24-07-2008, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Westcountryman

Hm, compared to Labour in the 70s and the modern day...yep, would still take the Tories.

Can not see me voting for them but you are right, it will be a choice between Labour and the Tories and I would rather have them and I would rather have Cameron instead of Brown.

Westcountryman · 25-07-2008, 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by g hall

I'd rather have neither

You can't always get what you want.

23-07-2008, 10:12 AM	#1 (permalink)
Dissident Congress Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 750	Could the Tories have won the 1997 general election? Cast your mind back to the first day of spring of 1997. Britain is government by a tired exhausted Conservative government with an uncolourful leader at its helm. They have lost their majority in Parliament. They are patently not the same party as the Tories who were running Britain during the Thatcher decade just a mere 10 years ago. Their track record over the past 5 years in office is tarnished with plenty of sleaze and corruption. They can no longer play the trump card of low taxes because they have raised all manner of taxes after accusing Labour of dropping a tax bomb in 1992. Their image is staid and dull. One commentator came out with "The Tories are cricket and warm beer whereas Labour are rollerblades and alcopops". Worst of all, the Tories have no vision for the future. On the opposition benches in Parliament is a bright and snappy Labour Party bursting with energy. A reformed and revived party called New Labour which has jettisoned Clause 4 and its image of northern industrial workers wearing flat caps. They have a young and dynamic leader with a shiny eyes and a beaming smile who has come out of nowhere. Worst of all, they have won the hearts and minds of Middle England, Essex Man, and Worcester Woman. The Tories are doomed. NuLab will win hands down with a big majority. Or will they? In the run-up to the general election, the Tories mounted a weak and inept campaign. Their central plank of New Labour - New Danger failed to make any impact with the electorate. Just exactly what was that new danger? Nobody, not even the Tories themselves seemed to know. Therefore, it just came across as an empty soundbite. I personally think that New Labour - Same Old Danger would have been much more effective. On the 9th of April 1997, the Tories aired an election broadcast featuring a group of 10 lower-class people who had all voted Labour. The same people then spoke one year later, and two years later about the Labour government with bitterness and regret. This broadcast could only be described as negative and pessimistic. It may have even worsened the Tory's election results, but it could have been the tool that won the election for them. Let's look at the message given by the 10 lower-class people. All they spoke about was the economy, unemployment, and taxes. Clearly the wrong message. What should they have spoken up about? Something that always increases under a Labour government - immigration. The people could then have proceeded to race relations, political correctness, multiculturalism, asylum seekers, and how the government spends billions of pounds on ethnic minorities whilst telling the white British to stuff it. An even more dramatic election broadcast would have included a clip of Enoch Powell giving his Rivers of Blood Speech where he states that "the black man will have the whip hand over the white man". Immigration wasn't an issue in the spring of 1997, but an election broadcast like this would have sent a shockwave through the nation. It would have exposed Labour's real motivation concealed behind a facade of spin and glitz. The Tories may have been a dull party tainted by sleaze and corruption under John Major. However, Middle England and Tory voting working class people would not stand for a government that swamped the country with around 250,000 immigrants and asylum seekers every year, whilst imposing the most anti-British and pro-ethnic race relations policy in history. On the 2nd of May, we could have woken up to newspaper headlines saying things along the lines of "Bad luck Blair - we know your game", "Can Labour ever win a general election?", or "Tories to take Britain into the new millennium". There is a question that needs answering. Did the Tories miss a trick, or are they really just as multicultural and pro-immigration as Labour are? __________________ Dissident Congress Promoting Populist Patriotism Our Nation - Our People - Our Heritage - Our Future

23-07-2008, 11:32 AM	#2 (permalink)
Little Englander (sour) Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 949 Party: English Democrats	Not a chance in hell. In 1997 the Tories were so steeped in sleaze and (perceived) corruption that they were totally unelectable, I would further add that they were so arrogant as to believe that they had done nothing wrong, they were willing to use the "sword of justice" to prove their innocence (Aitkinson), brown paper bags were flying everywhere, I'm astonished that people think that, even now, they are electable. __________________ Little Englander (bigoted)

23-07-2008, 12:45 PM	#3 (permalink)
BonnieDundee Uber Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Between Mallaig and Cornwall. Posts: 2,809	When weren't the Tories steeped in sleaze and corruption? And when did that really matter? The British public voted three times for that ***** Thatcher didn't they. It seems to be largely the media which decide things these days. That said the Tories were doomed, the media was against them and they were more inept, corrupt and stupid than usual. As someone who thinks Thatcher and Major were worse than Blair I could care less. __________________ "It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state." -Bruce Schneier How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and pss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.* Edward Abbey Leopold Kohr.

23-07-2008, 04:19 PM	#4 (permalink)
Little Englander (sour) Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 949 Party: English Democrats	Ditto, It is only the crass incompetence of the New Labour government that has brought the Tories back from the brink. was it ever thus. Political parties don't win elections - they lose them. __________________ Little Englander (bigoted)

24-07-2008, 12:07 AM	#5 (permalink)
Westcountryman Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Westcountry. Posts: 5,922 Party: None	I'd rather have the Tories in government than Labour any day of the week. __________________ Manus haec inimica tyrannis ense petit placidam sub libertate quietam - "This hand of mine, which is hostile to tyrants, seeks by the sword quiet peace under liberty."

24-07-2008, 12:44 AM	#6 (permalink)
BonnieDundee Uber Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Between Mallaig and Cornwall. Posts: 2,809	I wouldn't. I remember the last time. __________________ "It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state." -Bruce Schneier How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and pss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.* Edward Abbey Leopold Kohr.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode