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Old 25-07-2008, 01:52 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Hm, compared to Labour in the 70s and the modern day...yep, would still take the Tories.
Thatcher was worse than the 70s, unless you were well off and she was worse than Brown or Blair. General Franco and her good mate the murderous Pinochet would have given her a run for her money.
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Can not see me voting for them but you are right, it will be a choice between Labour and the Tories and I would rather have them and I would rather have Cameron instead of Brown.
The Tories seem mildly alright at the moment strangely. Normally I'd prefer the Republicans and Dubya to be PM of the UK.
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Old 02-08-2008, 12:42 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Thatcher was worse than the 70s, unless you were well off and she was worse than Brown or Blair. General Franco and her good mate the murderous Pinochet would have given her a run for her money.
Here goes my maiden speech...

I doubt the Conservatives had any chance of winning the 97 election. They were tired and spent. Kenneth Clarke was a fantastic Chancellor whom Gordon Brown owes his success too, but he won't admit it.

It is nescient to suggest Thatcher was a bad Prime Minister. On the contrary, she was the greatest Prime Minister Britain has had. She wasn't against the poor like you suggest. She allowed the poor to buy their council houses at a massive discount. Her main policy aim in her first administration was to slash inflation, which hits the poor more than it hits the rich. She privatised companies, allowing many ordinary people to buy shares for the first time. When she took charge, Britain was deemed the ''Sick Man of Europe,'' when she left office, she left the 4th strongest economy in the world. She brought inflation down to 3% from 18%. She cut the income tax from 80% to 40% for the top earners, and she cut it from 35% to 23% for the lower earners. She firmly believed in the power of the individual, and the individual's right to financial autonomy, to spend the money they have worked for. Please re-educate yourself. Margaret Thatcher was a phenomenal Prime Minister. Let me repeat a very good phrase I found that can be connected to her. ''If you set out to be liked, you compromise on everything, and achieve nothing.''
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Bonnie, it is nescient to suggest that Mrs Thatcher was a bad Prime Minister. On the contrary, she was a phenomemal Prime Minister. She did more for the working classes than any socialist ever did. The Right to Buy scheme allowed the working classes to buy their first home at a massive discount. The main policy aim of her first administration was to cut inflation, which hits the working classes more than the rich. The destruction of the manufacturing industries was a necessary action. She was a firm believer in the power of the individual over the state, and a proponent of personal financial autonomy. She cut the top rate of tax from 80% to 40%, and the bottom rate from 30% to 23%. She said that people should be allowed to keep the money they have worked for. She will be remembered as a great Prime Minister. She allowed capitalism to breath, and she did a great deal towards the destruction of the evil that is socialism.
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Cast your mind back to the first day of spring of 1997. Britain is government by a tired exhausted Conservative government with an uncolourful leader at its helm. They have lost their majority in Parliament. They are patently not the same party as the Tories who were running Britain during the Thatcher decade just a mere 10 years ago. Their track record over the past 5 years in office is tarnished with plenty of sleaze and corruption. They can no longer play the trump card of low taxes because they have raised all manner of taxes after accusing Labour of dropping a tax bomb in 1992. Their image is staid and dull. One commentator came out with "The Tories are cricket and warm beer whereas Labour are rollerblades and alcopops". Worst of all, the Tories have no vision for the future.

On the opposition benches in Parliament is a bright and snappy Labour Party bursting with energy. A reformed and revived party called New Labour which has jettisoned Clause 4 and its image of northern industrial workers wearing flat caps. They have a young and dynamic leader with a shiny eyes and a beaming smile who has come out of nowhere. Worst of all, they have won the hearts and minds of Middle England, Essex Man, and Worcester Woman.

The Tories are doomed. NuLab will win hands down with a big majority. Or will they?

In the run-up to the general election, the Tories mounted a weak and inept campaign. Their central plank of New Labour - New Danger failed to make any impact with the electorate. Just exactly what was that new danger? Nobody, not even the Tories themselves seemed to know. Therefore, it just came across as an empty soundbite. I personally think that New Labour - Same Old Danger would have been much more effective.

On the 9th of April 1997, the Tories aired an election broadcast featuring a group of 10 lower-class people who had all voted Labour. The same people then spoke one year later, and two years later about the Labour government with bitterness and regret.

This broadcast could only be described as negative and pessimistic. It may have even worsened the Tory's election results, but it could have been the tool that won the election for them.

Let's look at the message given by the 10 lower-class people. All they spoke about was the economy, unemployment, and taxes. Clearly the wrong message. What should they have spoken up about? Something that always increases under a Labour government - immigration. The people could then have proceeded to race relations, political correctness, multiculturalism, asylum seekers, and how the government spends billions of pounds on ethnic minorities whilst telling the white British to stuff it. An even more dramatic election broadcast would have included a clip of Enoch Powell giving his Rivers of Blood Speech where he states that "the black man will have the whip hand over the white man".

Immigration wasn't an issue in the spring of 1997, but an election broadcast like this would have sent a shockwave through the nation. It would have exposed Labour's real motivation concealed behind a facade of spin and glitz. The Tories may have been a dull party tainted by sleaze and corruption under John Major. However, Middle England and Tory voting working class people would not stand for a government that swamped the country with around 250,000 immigrants and asylum seekers every year, whilst imposing the most anti-British and pro-ethnic race relations policy in history.

On the 2nd of May, we could have woken up to newspaper headlines saying things along the lines of "Bad luck Blair - we know your game", "Can Labour ever win a general election?", or "Tories to take Britain into the new millennium".

There is a question that needs answering. Did the Tories miss a trick, or are they really just as multicultural and pro-immigration as Labour are?
They could only have won if they put forward a manifesto to end immigration, bring back hanging and leave the EU.
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Bonnie, it is nescient to suggest that Mrs Thatcher was a bad Prime Minister. On the contrary, she was a phenomemal Prime Minister.
I'd say she was terrible.

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The Right to Buy scheme allowed the working classes to buy their first home at a massive discount.
It also was a massive hit to the council housing system.

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The main policy aim of her first administration was to cut inflation, which hits the working classes more than the rich.
Unemployment hits them worse and she dealt with neither, her monetarist idiocy, which she finally had to abandon, was terrible for the poor. They hadn't seen anything like it since the 30s.

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The destruction of the manufacturing industries was a necessary action. She was a firm believer in the power of the individual over the state, and a proponent of personal financial autonomy.
She was a firm believer in the power of the rich over the poor.

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She cut the top rate of tax from 80% to 40%, and the bottom rate from 30% to 23%. She said that people should be allowed to keep the money they have worked for. She will be remembered as a great Prime Minister. She allowed capitalism to breath, and she did a great deal towards the destruction of the evil that is socialism.
Medium wages fell and the economy did pretty poorly all around.
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And yet she achieved less than nothing.
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Thatcher bottled it.
She was against immigration, for hanging and flogging and against the EU yet she didnt push these policies through.
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Okay maybe she wasn't that bad then(except on immigration and the EU.).
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Old 09-08-2008, 08:46 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Under Thatcher you had a chance if you were prepared to do some graft(Its probably why those who hated her where ,bone idle socialists)


Under Blair/Brown you are swimming against the tide.(the harder you work the more you can give to bone idle socialist)
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