Who was the last Real Conservative to lead the Conservative party?

Smidgey · 13-06-2008, 01:53 AM

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Would you kiss a man?

Why is this relevant to anything?

BonnieDundee · 13-06-2008, 02:37 AM

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Most people are totally opposed to homosexual propaganda in the schools and most are disgusted by homosexual behavior.

Firstly they really aren't in the West unless you live in the Southern US or something.

Secondly what propaganda? You refuse to say it but it seems clear you think it is propaganda to express the belief that homosexuality is not wrong or disgusting. Well you'd better have a damn good argument to back this up and I haven't seen anything yet. Personally I'd say more people find homophobia and general bigotry disgusting.

BonnieDundee · 13-06-2008, 02:43 AM

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"Allowing the same public viewing of homosexual affection as heterosexual affection does not create homosexual feelings in people or constitute indoctrination into being homosexuals. "

Of course it does look at the massive rise in homosexuality among British youth.

That is not an argument even approaching validity.

Correlation does not prove causation.

Anyway I'd say labels like homosexual and heterosexual are largely irrelevant. Alot if not most people are somewhere in the middle even if they usually prefer a partner from a particular sex. I once read that an estimated 80% of women have a Lesbian experience in their lives for instance.

British-Conservatism · 13-06-2008, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Smidgey

Why is this relevant to anything?

It is very relevant to the opinions you own.
This may be self interest on your part.

British-Conservatism · 13-06-2008, 04:04 PM

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That is not an argument even approaching validity.

Correlation does not prove causation.

Anyway I'd say labels like homosexual and heterosexual are largely irrelevant. Alot if not most people are somewhere in the middle even if they usually prefer a partner from a particular sex. I once read that an estimated 80% of women have a Lesbian experience in their lives for instance.

Most people are in the middle!
Are you one of them?

British-Conservatism · 13-06-2008, 04:27 PM

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Firstly they really aren't in the West unless you live in the Southern US or something.

Secondly what propaganda? You refuse to say it but it seems clear you think it is propaganda to express the belief that homosexuality is not wrong or disgusting. Well you'd better have a damn good argument to back this up and I haven't seen anything yet. Personally I'd say more people find homophobia and general bigotry disgusting.

Reported in The Scotsman that children as young as four are to be taught about same-sex relationships through fairytales and storybooks with gay and lesbian characters.

A pilot scheme to introduce children to gay issues is running in several schools across England with stories such as "King and King", about a gay prince, or "And Tango Makes Three", about gay penguins who fall in love and raise an adopted child.

The £600,000 scheme, called the "No Outsiders" project, has the backing of the Department for Education and is designed to help schools adjust to new rules on promoting homosexuality as a lifestyle.

According to those heading the project, children in one participating school used the "King & King" fairytale - which tells of a prince who rejects the love of three princesses before falling in love with and "marrying" another prince - as a basis for writing "alternative Cinderella" stories. In another participating school in London, children aged between 4 and 11 are rehearsing for a performance of an opera called "The Sissy Duckling" about a male duckling who loves cooking, cleaning and art.

British-Conservatism · 13-06-2008, 04:32 PM

First America.

School Tells Kids to Hide Pro-‘Gay’ Propaganda From Parents

In a shocking and brazen act of governmental abuse of parental rights, Deerfield High School (DHS) in Deerfield, Illinois, has required fourteen-year-old freshmen to attend a “Straight Gay Alliance Network” (GSA) panel discussion led by “gay” and “lesbian” upperclassmen during a “freshman advisory” class which secretively featured inappropriate discussions of a sexual nature in promotion of high-risk homosexual behaviors.
Not only has DHS required that its young and impressionable freshmen be exposed to radical homosexual propaganda, the school has further required that students sign a “confidentiality agreement” promising not to tell anyone – including their own parents – about the discussion.

Olympic Flame · 13-06-2008, 05:20 PM

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Thatcher had many very good Conservative ideas like ending immigration, leaving the EU (now), bringing back corporal and capital punishment, putting homosexuality firmly back behind closed doors (or even keeping it illegal according to her book the path to power).
But this was undermined by total obedience to Libertarian market theory which sacrificed profit making British Nationalised Industries on the Altar of dogma and let slip into foreign hands some of the most famous British companies of all time.
Not to mention her totally subservient and quite fearful attitude to the United States.

Immigration control and low-tax free-market capitalism, typical conservative, not a little bit surprised.
On average 4 working adults are needed to support one pensioner. Without mass immigration, the current left-wing welfare system need to undergo drastic changes.
You cant have everything.

British-Conservatism · 13-06-2008, 05:28 PM

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Immigration control and low-tax free-market capitalism, typical conservative, not a little bit surprised.
On average 4 working adults are needed to support one pensioner. Without mass immigration, the current left-wing welfare system need to undergo drastic changes.
You cant have everything.

Mass Immigration loses the country money.

sixxstring · 02-08-2008, 12:50 AM

On my views and interpretations of Conservatism, I'd go with Mrs Thatcher. But at the time, she wasn't a traditional Conservative. She was a woman. She was a product of the grammar school system. She even told the Old Guard of the Conservative Party she didn't need them anymore, as she had a mandate for everyone, and not just the Establishment. She was one of the last politicians with real balls.

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British-Conservatism Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,313	First America. School Tells Kids to Hide Pro-‘Gay’ Propaganda From Parents In a shocking and brazen act of governmental abuse of parental rights, Deerfield High School (DHS) in Deerfield, Illinois, has required fourteen-year-old freshmen to attend a “Straight Gay Alliance Network” (GSA) panel discussion led by “gay” and “lesbian” upperclassmen during a “freshman advisory” class which secretively featured inappropriate discussions of a sexual nature in promotion of high-risk homosexual behaviors. Not only has DHS required that its young and impressionable freshmen be exposed to radical homosexual propaganda, the school has further required that students sign a “confidentiality agreement” promising not to tell anyone – including their own parents – about the discussion. __________________ http://conservativedemocraticalliance.blogspot.com/

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02-08-2008, 12:50 AM	#90 (permalink)
sixxstring Newbie Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Doncaster Posts: 4 Party: Conservatives	On my views and interpretations of Conservatism, I'd go with Mrs Thatcher. But at the time, she wasn't a traditional Conservative. She was a woman. She was a product of the grammar school system. She even told the Old Guard of the Conservative Party she didn't need them anymore, as she had a mandate for everyone, and not just the Establishment. She was one of the last politicians with real balls.