david H

Hartlepool, thanks for that. I can not really argue about negative interpretations of personality. Try reading "Death of The West" and "State of Emergency" two of the best books on our common condition throughout Europe and the Anglosphere. They are an inspiration to us all.
This is a new post on his website.

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g hall

No I'm not as smart as you Greg or am I In fact I would like to think I'm smarter ?

The causes of WW2 are far more complex then can be explained here and would require a lot of detailed research and then would have to be presented in such a manner that even right wing apologists like you could understand, suffice to say what I stated is essentially true and certainly not "unexplained garbage".

How far back do we go ?

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g hall

What's a fact Greg
The build up of military power by the major European powers over the previous decades ?
The expansion of empire by the same powers ?
The rise of nationalism and self determination ?
The modernisation and Industrialisation of Japan and Russia

Come on Greg which

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Gregory Lauder-Frost

None of those had anything to do with the cause of The Great War. Again you are brainwashed by the received or should I say official versions of history, which remain essential if you want to justify the murder of millions of people by politicans who very stupidly entered into unnecessary alliances.

Great European powers modernising themselves and building new prestigeous navies, as they all did prior to WW1 does not mean they want a war. If so, does it mean that we wanted a war?

Possibly you need to examine the now published records of the Austrian Foreign Office, or you could try The Austrian Red Book published in 1915 by the New York based American Association for International Concilliation, for the real causes of the outbreak of the war. Why not throw in L.Cassels book The Archduke and the Assassin (London, 1984) for good measure.

Gregory Lauder-Frost

Agreed.

I'm not a right-wing apologist but if you are on The Left, as I suspect you are, you probably think of most people on these forums in a derisory manner. You certainly speak to most in a churlish manner.

I would say that I am a stickler for historical truth rather than the versions churned out by governments and their supporters. I take it that you would be a supporter of the Nazi Ministry of Propaganda and Enlightenment? After all, had they won the war they would have dictated the history of it.

The causes of WWII lay primarily if not overwhelmingly in the Versailles and Trianon Treaties which were an absolute disgrace. There are few serious historians who disagree with that. The consequences were bound to explode at some point. Poland's behaviour from 1919 to 1939 was outrageous and it was only a matter of time before someone attacked them. By the way, regarding France and Britain's ridiculous mutual assistance treaties to Poland, could you explain why we did not instantly declare war also on the Soviet Union? After all they invaded Poland at the same time and annexed a third of it. I look forward to your response.

g hall

Stickler for detail I'm surprised that you missed the rest of the sentance off still that's revisionism for you


No just appear to be one
Suspicion tore us apart actually I don't believe in the Left/Right paradigm as I believe it to be complete rubbish

but I'm an ill educated churl what can you expect especially when the established parties played politics with education to the detriment of myself and several others I know

I doubt you would know the truth if it stood in front of you
And why was Versailles so disgraceful ? given what had happened to France in WW1 and then previous to that in The Franco Prussian war it is partially understood after all the best time to kick a man is when he's down
Of course France forgot about Napoleon and what he did a few decades earlier


Politics perhaps
I did say that we (France and GB) should have aided the Finns and given Stalin a kicking as well please read what I post

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Remember TANSTAAFL and TANJ

g hall

If you give the Military new toys at some point some buffoon will want to use them

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"This is a sharp Medicine, but it is a Physician for all diseases and miseries".
"To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy --and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful."
Remember TANSTAAFL and TANJ

Hartlepool

Back on track,Buchanan is quoted as having blamed us Brits for starting the two world wars.

We have only ever had two world wars on the planet and Buchanan says us Brits started both of them.

The mind is a wonderfull thing,we can believe anything we wish,and as long as we put it in a book we can make a load of dosh from it,over and over again.

Good business plan to do such I reckon.

Gregory Lauder-Frost

France had deliberately signed a Mutual Assistance Treaty with Imperial Russia, rather provocatively, to say the least. Poinclaire was in St.Petersburg as late as 1914. When the Russians mobilised (before Germany even considered it) in support of Serbia, and then attacked and invaded Germany without provocation from the latter, did you expect the Germans to simply sit back and wait for the 1 million strong French Army to attack them in support of Russia? I had given even you more credit than that.

What on earth has the Franco-Prussian war of 1870/1 got to do with late 1914? Is it your suggestion that Bismark should not have risen to Louis Napoleon's provocations? And lets not forget that the French thought they'd win that hands down. Or is it that you are upset that the Germans recovered their provinces of Alsace-Lorraine which Louis XIV had wrenched from them.

Maybe its worth considering Bismark's words to Louis Napoleon: "Your country has trampled over ours some 24 times, destroying, pillaging and murdering. We propose to make sure that doesn't happen again."

If you had read history you would know all these realities. But I accept you obviously have not and that 'victor's histories' in the 20th century are very misleading. I am happy to help.

david H

Hartlepool,read this from just 2 weeks ago. This is how he should be judged not the blogs of his enemies.

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