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jim h · 03-08-2008, 05:22 PM

Progcon,
Cameron has promised nothing of the sort , if the Lisbon Treaty has not been ratified if and when the Conservatives form the next Government he has said then a referendum will take place in the UK . If it has been ratified then he has indicated he will look at ways to do something about it but he has not promised a referendum.
Two further observations :-
Cameron made one and only one promise when he was elected leader that the Conservatives would leave the EPP within weeks not only are they still members but since then more Conservative MEPs voted in favour of an EU Pariament resolution which said the democratic vote of the Irish people would not be recognised than voted against the resolution and tens of thousands of pounds was given by the Conservative Party ( remember MEPs are not individually elected they represent their Party and their actions are, therefore ,done in the name of their Party) via the EPP to support the YES campaign and nothing was given to the NO campaign.
In this country Brown will not resign and his potential challengers will be warned off because the EU would view it as a total disaster as the Lisbon Treaty has not yet been ratified.His resignation would more than likely mean a general election which the Conservatives would probably win and then if Cameron was true to his word then a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty would take place. However the relevance of a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty needs to be considered in the context that it gets us no further forward in getting out of the EU and probably puts the cause back since many voters will think they have done their Eurosceptic duty and will go back to sleep again.
Re 5 year plan asked for by Progcon I dont have one but as sure as hell there is no alternative than to keep plugging away the UKIP message. If next year UKIP does not succeed in holding its own in the EU elections then the cause is finished since the playing field for general elections is so different from the EU election that we will not make a breakthrough into our Parliament. The EU elections focus on the EU and not domestic politics and proportional representation works in our favour.

03-08-2008, 05:22 PM	#56 (permalink)
jim h Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 361	Progcon, Cameron has promised nothing of the sort , if the Lisbon Treaty has not been ratified if and when the Conservatives form the next Government he has said then a referendum will take place in the UK . If it has been ratified then he has indicated he will look at ways to do something about it but he has not promised a referendum. Two further observations :- Cameron made one and only one promise when he was elected leader that the Conservatives would leave the EPP within weeks not only are they still members but since then more Conservative MEPs voted in favour of an EU Pariament resolution which said the democratic vote of the Irish people would not be recognised than voted against the resolution and tens of thousands of pounds was given by the Conservative Party ( remember MEPs are not individually elected they represent their Party and their actions are, therefore ,done in the name of their Party) via the EPP to support the YES campaign and nothing was given to the NO campaign. In this country Brown will not resign and his potential challengers will be warned off because the EU would view it as a total disaster as the Lisbon Treaty has not yet been ratified.His resignation would more than likely mean a general election which the Conservatives would probably win and then if Cameron was true to his word then a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty would take place. However the relevance of a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty needs to be considered in the context that it gets us no further forward in getting out of the EU and probably puts the cause back since many voters will think they have done their Eurosceptic duty and will go back to sleep again. Re 5 year plan asked for by Progcon I dont have one but as sure as hell there is no alternative than to keep plugging away the UKIP message. If next year UKIP does not succeed in holding its own in the EU elections then the cause is finished since the playing field for general elections is so different from the EU election that we will not make a breakthrough into our Parliament. The EU elections focus on the EU and not domestic politics and proportional representation works in our favour.