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I simply said that your behaviour was hypcritical
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why so?
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I happen to have a soft spot for that thing called mercy. I think it comes from having defended people in criminal court, some guilty various criminal acts and some not, but all of them human beings. I feel badly for Annabelle because she appears to have screwed up and has already suffered rather severe consequences.
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Willingly leaving your job is 'rather severe consequences?' No one made her leave. Are you saying I should have pity on her because she made a personal decision to resign?
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I happen to feel badly for John West despite the fact I've been really harsh on him on this forum because while he is clearly dedicated to the cause he has set in motion (and indeed kept in motion) a series of events that has culminated in the present difficulties that he and the party find themselves in embroiled in. I don't want John West thrown out of the party.
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Agreed.
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I would like him to seriously reflect upon the problems he has caused and to let matters drop.
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I suspect that is what the party would want also!
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And I don't hate John West, but I think he has shown appalling judgement over the course of several months that has led us into the present situation.
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Good. And stop accusing others of hatred. There's enough hatred in the world as it is without you inventing more.
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I read in an article in the newspaper today the following account of one of the Australian Prime Minister's ancestors:
However, his crime is eclipsed by that of the prime minister's paternal fifth great-grandmother Mary Wade, a London street urchin who made a pittance by sweeping streets and begging.
In 1788, aged 12, she and an older girl coaxed an eight-year-old girl into a toilet where they relieved her of "her dress, petticoats, a linen tippet, and a cap and absconded".
Wade was sentenced "to be hanged by the neck til she be dead" after a trial at London's Old Bailey in January 1789 but the sentence was commuted to transportation to the colony of New South Wales.
I can't help but draw the conclusion from your various posts that in 1789 the Anthonys, Aardvarks, and C-Steams of the world would have been demanding that this 12 year old girl be punished with the utmost vigour, that is, hanging. They would have claimed that the authorities obviously had guilty consciences and were somehow complicit unless they dealt with her ruthlessly.
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Lol! A parable too far, I think.
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I do happen to believe in justice, but justice without mercy is a pretty horrid thing.
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and I feel that mercy without justice is pretty pointless. There has been no justice..yet.
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And I don't happen to believe that justice only occurs when official procedures are followed. All the parties in the current controversy have already been punished, perhaps not formally, but punished nonetheless, and probably appropriately for the crimes both formal and informal that they have committed.
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Is a view. One that i would not subscribe to.
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Annabelle breached her employer's confidence and caused them embarrassment. True she may argue that she was provoked by John West's silly, stupid behaviour into doing something very wrong but she still appears to have broken the law. She has lost her job.
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she has broken the law. Then she chose to resign. The two may not be connected, and if they are, then you cannot absolve a crime by making a voluntary gesture.
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The party brass didn't respond as quickly or as honestly as they should have and could have. They now look incompetent.
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absolutely true.
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John West, engaged in a very silly campaign of innuendo and lies against a rivel to gain personal advantage. When his interview was wrongly posted on Youtube he then republished it on this forum and began complaining publicly. For his sins he as ensured that he will now never sit in Brussels as an MEP. He has also earned the emnity of many party members who are appalled by his conduct and lack of judgement. His future in politics, whether in UKIP or elsewhere is now severely circumscribed to say the least.
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True, but UKIP should still have put him through the disciplinary procedure. By not doing so it appears they cannot, in other words can't find a case for him to answer to.
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Everyone involved in this matter has paid the price for their sins. Unfortunately for too many people on this forum that isn't enough.
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No. The party gets away with weak and poor management - again.
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Justice without mercy is a horrid thing. Ponder that concept for a while before you reply.
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OK. Pondered that. Now what?