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Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher
Hang on, he is a victim of the party here, and the party refused to take appropriate action, leaving him either to pretend it didn't happen or go to the police. If the only way to teach the UKIP leadership to take their responsibilities seriously is to take them to court, then that is hardly John's fault. Spinning it as 'taking them to the cleaners' is simply reversing where the actual blame lies here - with UKIP.
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Hang on yourself Anthony. It is a question whether he is a victim of the "Party". The evidence suggests that he is a victim of a party employee who has since left the party.
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Your use of partisan logic here is staggering. John is NOT causing damage to the party. The party, via an unauthorised individual, committed what looks like a criminal act, and then refused to take any action to resolve it (which is a bigger problem than the original offence). Annabelle, Whittaker and Farage are the ones damaging the party, no one else.
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If you are going to get on your sanctimonious high horse and lecture me try to at least read what I was saying. I said nothing about whether John was causing damage to the party or not. I was commenting that John is professing to be outraged about the release of the video on youtube, and may be instigating legal action against the party, yet he still intends to carry on as both a branch chairman and PPC as if nothing has happened. I'm sorry but if I was as thoroughly outraged and embarrassed as John professes to be I cannot see why I would even want to remain in those positions where I would be forced to work with the people who had treated me so badly. And if his threatened legal action takes place, relations between him and the party will be so badly wrecked that he wouldn't be able to accomplish anything anyway.
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Who reports the crime is absolutely irrelevant; it is the perpetrators of the crime who are responsible. If John hadn't done it, I guarantee someone else, like GLW, would have.
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What crime are we talking about? Do you mean the violation of the DPA? If Clive Page is correct and only Christopher Gill and Annabelle Fuller had the video, and if, as appears likely it was released by Annabelle Fuller of her own initiative, do you really think that UKIP is going to get prosecuted? Really? When steps were clearly taken to restrict the number of people who had access to the data? I'm sorry but no organization can completely protect itself against a rogue employee. There may be a DPA case against Annabelle Fuller, but it would appear there is no case against UKIP.
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Attacking John for reporting a crime as 'damaging the party' is just astonishing. This gang culture mentality makes me nauseous. You actually appear to be encouraging party members not to report crimes committed by other party members, and those that do will be subjected to a tirade of abuse.
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I am not discouraging anyone from reporting anything. John is entitled to report the video posting which appears to have been made in violation of the DPA. But the very public manner in which he has allowed this to be played out would certainly suggest that he isn't interested in a quiet resolution but that he is looking to put the hurt on UKIP, or possibly, put the squeeze on UKIP.
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And your personal crusade against him continues; this is really quite repugnant. Is it possible that he is just a committed party member who wants a decent party? i.e. one that obeys the law and deals swiftly and responsibly when problems occur? Just because he has reported a crime to the police doesn't mean that he has to resign, or that he no longer believes in the cause.
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Has it occurred to you that my so-called "crusade" against him is perhaps an entirely logical response to his prior behaviour on this forum. Has it occurred to you that perhaps the reason why the party leadership has responded rather slowly to the video episode is because they don't trust him or don't trust his motives any more? Has it occurred to you that perhaps many of us feel towards John West as you so clearly feel towards the current UKIP leadership. A lot of UKIP members are sick of internicene fighting, and after the problems we appear to have had with some of the previous batch of MEPs are more than a little suspicious of anyone who appears a little to eager to get themselves elected to the Brussels Parliament.
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Do the pair of you realise just how bullying and unpleasant you are being towards him?
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Do you realize just what a sanctimonious prat you are to anyone who disagrees with you?