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Old 01-08-2008, 01:25 AM   #24 (permalink)
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If you think this country has every experienced real freedom them you are sadly deluded.
Then go and live your life somewhere else and coplain the way they do things.


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You do not have the right to educate them at all. You have a right to say whatever you wish, but you do not have the right to educate them - they can ignore what you say or they can disagree with it (as I am doing).
I don't have the right to educate somebody? Whether it is about my views or about something that is absolutely true?

X: "The Monarch has to much power!"

Y: "No, actually the Monarch has little power..."

X: "You don't have the right ot tell me what to think!"


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Finally, I doubt there has been a single time in my entire life where I have followed British law (at least in the criminal sense). I don't break the law, not because it is the law, but because it is right.
That I will have to take your word for; and I don't, sorry.

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I never said it wasn't your choice, but you must also realise that it is my choice to reject it (as I am sure you would), because I believe in liberty before being a subject to a centralised individual who should have no authority or standing over me. You, however, do not believe in liberty - but that is your choice.
Oh, so I don't believe in Liberty? Ok, so because I believe in defending the Crown, that makes me some how anti-Liberty? Well I think you might want to check my Signreture, the Marcus Aurelius quote. Thats what I believe brother.

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Further, you have just proven in this statement that your claim that the monarchy is 'vital' to Britain is absolute nonsense. There are plenty of other countries that have law represented in something else (maybe something that it makes sense to represent law in - such as a written constitution). Your claim that you will defend the crown because it represents the laws of the UK refutes your own claim that the crown is vital to Britain.

Tell me, was France no longer France after the revolution?
I am not talking about France, or indeed not talking about Monarchy in general, I am talking about hte British Crown.


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I don't actually, please enlighten me.

Where does it state that being good at ones job deserves respect?
Well I always thought that you were a person who knew the difference between right and wrong. The Queen performs her duties for good, Hitler for bad (respectively). Strange; I would have thought you of all people would have thought of that. And besides; are you sure I have the right to enlighten you?

First of all I don't know what 'It' is, so I don't know where 'It' states we are to do anything. But I know it is human compassion to reward somebody with respect if they know the virtue of devotion.

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Any socially minded being would be more concerned with his fellow citizen and fellow man than some abstract 'crown'.
Well techincally thats what I was saying. And secondly not necesarily, as you seem to be quite vigilant on your points of what people don't have to be.

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I can be disrespectful of whomever I please (that, is my right), however, concerning the Queen - I'm sure she is a fine person of great moral standing - it is her office I am disputing. Concerning Prince Charles - I have a different opinion. I will not be looking forward to when this man - a man who gives pro-EU speeches in the EU parliament - becomes the monarch.
Thats right, you can be disrespectful to whom ever you like; but when two people with sticks tell you to do something, your rights go out the window. So you should thank the Lord (expression not statement) that you live in a society where the two men with sticks actually alow you to do atleast somethings. To be disrespectful to someone, expecially someone whom you yourself have said is probably 'a fine person', is fine if you are the person who justifies your own actions.

Smidgey, I respect your philosophey, but as a fellow human being I would like to tell you that there is other people in the world, other people that you can hurt or make happy or make laugh or kill etc etc and their judgments on you are what makes society an actual society. I have the right to educate you Smidgey, just as you have the right to disrespect me or any other person who seems to contradict you. "Don't become what you wish to destroy."

Now I choose to end this arguement and go about my ignorant, self-justified business; as I have learned from the best!
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